PRL Motorsports P600 Honda Civic Type-R FK8 Drop-In Turbocharger Upgrade Development

[MoTeC R]

This, and a few other statements getting thrown around here regarding fuel are far from accurate.

I highly doubt anyone is going to come out with a complete fuel system cheaper than hondata’s. Unless someone started growing magical trees that grow fuel pumps and injectors. There will continue to be developments over the years but some where saying Hondata has their Kit way overpriced which it’s quite a value as a package.

Regardless I’m eager to see more info and more developments transpire. I absolutely love the Hondata kit and being able to run E85 at 25PSI on the factory turbo. It actually impressed me more than I expected it to If I’m completely honest.

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[SHIFTT_IX_MR]

Ah, my apologies. There should be no reason for concern with the factory outlet; these cars are not and will never feasibly be high revving, and this diameter is still not a restriction at the power levels this turbocharger is capable of producing. Even if a camshaft were produced for this platform, it will still not be able to rev super high due to DI pump, oil pump, etc, not to mention that the single port cylinder head will eventually be a choke point. We're seeing this firsthand with our 1.5T while testing Bisimoto's camshafts in our 1.5T Civic.

Yes, typically the compressor outlet and charge piping routing/design are critical in transient response. However, our options are limited when working with keeping things 100% factory location. To properly increase/adjust size at the outlet would warrant for an entire compressor cover redesign, which we did not wish to do, especially for minimal, if any, gains. If we were to offer a cast outlet piece, we would need to manufacture and supply another hose and component to our kit. Keep in mind that the GT/GTX 30R's we use in our 8th/9th Gen Turbo Kits utilize cast, 2.00" OD (which ID is significantly smaller due to the cast aluminum wall thickness), and still pump out well over 600 whp, revving much higher than the FK8 CT-R platform does.

Probably doesn't help either that the turbo, regardless of what turbo you go with, has to sit in the factory location, to attach to the head. Makes me wish the car had an actual manifold so we could play with different turbo locations, which in turn could all for greater range of turbos one could use. I guess we wont be seeing a GT42R anytime soon on a CTR.

 

[AdamD19DFK8]

I am pushing 25PSI on E85 with the Hondata Fuel Upgrade kit so there’s no need to keep Boost down either To run straight ethanol.

The existing turbo kits will run the Hondata out of E85 range and push you back to high octane which won’t produce much more than where I am now unless i run race fuel. So the PRL drop in should be an E85 solution to allow more power and maintain E85 fuel.

More power and not maxing the Hondata Fuel system is what I’m looking at So I can maintain the E85 power and cost benefits is what I’m hoping for and answer on from @PRL.

A bigger turbo with more power is going to require much more fuel, especially with ethanol. People are lucky to get near 500hp out of their 660hp rated turbo with a blend, fbo, and a turbo kit. E-85 would max out fuel faster and yield less power.

Until we can run an XDI pump, that's actually a substantial upgrade, there's no point in trying to run E85 on a turbo kit.

Or drop $10k on a port injection setup and the sky's the limit lol

 

[BoostedXsi]

Prl is the best....you guys are awesome!!!

 

[BoostedXsi]

I highly doubt anyone is going to come out with a complete fuel system cheaper than hondata’s. Unless someone started growing magical trees that grow fuel pumps and injectors. There will continue to be developments over the years but some where saying Hondata has their Kit way overpriced which it’s quite a value as a package.

Regardless I’m eager to see more info and more developments transpire. I absolutely love the Hondata kit and being able to run E85 at 25PSI on the factory turbo. It actually impressed me more than I expected it to If I’m completely honest.

Your car must be amazing...I can only imagine how fast it is!!!

 

[RBrackett]

Such a tease....

 

[kefi]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO PRLLLLL

 

[MoTeC R]

I’m going all out the car is amazing as it sits but it sure is eager for a P600 and port. I’m finally at the point the car has exceeded my expectations and I’m excited about the future Hondata traction control is a life saver. Got the 20x10s on and better ride and traction.

 

[RBrackett]

I’m going all out the car is amazing as it sits but it sure is eager for a P600 and port. I’m finally at the point the car has exceeded my expectations and I’m excited about the future Hondata traction control is a life saver. Got the 20x10s on and better ride and traction.

which 20x10 set up are you using? stock ride height?

also, I'm interested in how much the P600 caps out at. im sure as the name suggest prob around 600hp (granted you have fueling sorted+built engine) but beyond that?

Rampage also teased their upcoming FK8/G30-770 kit..... More Power Baby!

 

[BoostedXsi]

This is crazy...I wish I had a type r...the PRL turbo is going to make sick power...probably close to the big name turbos!!!

 

[PRL Motorsports]

http://prlarmy.com/Blog/prl-motorsp...p-in-turbocharger-upgrade-development-part-3/

Over the past couple of seemingly long months, we have been working to perfect the turbine housing and final machining of our P600 turbocharger upgrade. Our design team has had to go back to the drawing board a few times to make sure fitment and finish could be consistent.

The P600 will utilize a cast 304 stainless steel turbine housing for optimal heat control, increased strength and longevity at high temperatures.

It was important that an adequate amount of material was left after machining and fitting the significantly larger High Efficiency Turbine Wheel into the factory location turbine housing. We wanted to make sure this turbine could be pushed without the chance of turbine housing failure, which we knew would hit home to racers running their setups to the max for extended periods of time.

Another obstacle we had to overcome was fitting the larger diameter shaft and ball bearing assembly into the CHRA. Quite often we hear about bearing failures and smoking with drop-in turbocharger upgrades, which is usually due to the fact that factory CHRAs were never intended to support these wheel or shaft upgrades. Our billet 304 stainless steel CHRA was completely redesigned to utilize dual ceramic ball bearings for improved durability. This turbocharger retains factory oil and coolant lines, while increasing cooling capacity with its larger water jacket.

Now that we have a handful of functioning prototypes in hand, our Product Development Team will be working to ensure proper fitment, performance and reliability. Once these units pass quality control, we will be releasing pricing and real-world data provided from in-house and third-party testing. Stay tuned for more updates!

 

[ApexEight]

@PRL Motorsports forgive me if this has already been answered, but could this turbo be ran with the stock intake, intercooler, downpipe, and fuel system? I'm assuming the downpipe would have to be changed. Not after a lot more power, just want to get rid of the heat/backpressure created by the stock turbo.

 

[MoTeC R]

@PRL Motorsports forgive me if this has already been answered, but could this turbo be ran with the stock intake, intercooler, downpipe, and fuel system? I'm assuming the downpipe would have to be changed. Not after a lot more power, just want to get rid of the heat/backpressure created by the stock turbo.

Yes, that’s the beauty of a drop in.

 

[RealBoost]

The highest torque I’ve seen is 475 torque and 544whp ultimate racing 98 octane with garret 660

Full-Race EFR Kit Hondata Fuel System 482 tq 550 whp. Q16 probably wasn't the best fuel to use here, it's oxygenated so it requires more fuel quantity, something we know this car has struggled with. Q16 is tits at high altitude, but this test was done at sea level and it probably hurt their results.

 

[MoTeC R]

I’m cool with the update on just receiving the new prototype product and began testing on the P600 I would rather have a proven product later than a rush to market.

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