Honda quality sorely lacking

  1. saz468

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    I test drove a 2018 Hyundai Elantra GT sport turbo and I’ll be honest my 2014 Elantra coupe was better quality the turn single were flimsy knobs lose feeing plus when I opened the sunroof it made a grinding noise the salesperson said they will look into that when you buy the car. Hyundai does make a good car . I was just bored of my Elantra . this is my first civic and I’m sure quality has gone down since past generation civic but after looking at a few cars before the civic. The civic is better quality than most for the money. Plus the civic is the only car you can get in a coupe in its class
     
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    "The paint chips way too easily. The sheetmetal is incredibly thin in spots. The body panel gaps are huge. The stock headlights are dim. No glovebox light. "Carpet" that is thinner than thin.

    Also, not a quality issue but what is with the horn that sounds like it belongs on a tricycle? "

    No paint chip issues after 2 years, 25k miles/year-in horrible NE winters with salt/sand everywhere.
    Sheetmetal? Huh? So what? Heavy, thick body panels are a sign of "quality"?
    Panel gaps? Seem very unremarkable to me for a car of this price.
    Glovebox light-1st world problem.
    Carpet is thin-true. But floor mats make this issue irrelevant. Get "thick" floor mats.
    The horn is ridiculous.
     
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    #63 gtman, Mar 16, 2019
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    Have you ever waxed the hood of your car? Press on the upper center area of the hood. It pops like an aluminum foil pan. There are places on the sedan where if you lean too heavily your hand can cause a small dent (C pillar area). I have more chips on this car than any I've owned in 35 years driving the same roads. Maybe it's the Cosmic Blue paint but it's bad. I can stick my fingers through the large gap between the rear decklid edge and rear fender. Those are lack of quality/design/cost cutting issues IMO.

    I'm glad you apparently don't have those issues but many here over the course of my almost 4 years as a member have had the same complaints.

    Edit: I see you own the UK built hatchback. Maybe that's the variable here. I don't know.
     
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    Mine has the "every safety features warning light come on one after another" problem.
    Mostly comes on when on the hwy but once it did when I was backing out of my garage. It happens about once per month.
    It always resets when the ignition is turned off.
    Took it to the dealer, they could not duplicate the problem. I told them -it is random and you may have to drive it for a month to duplicate it. I showed them pictures of all the light ON the dash while the vehicle is being driven.
    Again they could not duplicate the problem and there are no codes stored.
    They said it is most likely a battery voltage issue. ? They installed anew battery.
    Two weeks later the problem returned. Dealer said "drive it to any Honda dealer when the light comes on and don't turn the car off.... right.. :(
     
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    That’s like FixOrRepairDaily
    I know I owned fords in the past
     
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    Another to avoid Fix It Agian Tommorow, not sure how many FIAT,'s they sell in the States thats if they are even sold over there but here in Europe a few years ago you could see the sheet metal disolve in the rain. The reason the sheet metal on the Civic is thin in places is beacuse its a light car, all to do with being more fuel effecient I would assume. As for the paint, these days the paint is water based so probably not as robust as a few years ago but why Honda cannot apply it a little thicker is beyond me :dunno:
     
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    Fiats are sold via Chrysler which is a not so great car company
     
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    The panels gaps are annoying, but if you google other brands, they deal with the same issues. Tesla owners spend a lot of money, and they deal with uneven panels and gaps. At least our gaps only cost us $20,000 and not $80,000 :D
     
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    I was concerned when my new 2017 needed a new controller when the dash lights shut off while driving, and when a shock failed at like 15k miles. But it's been flawless since then at 55k miles.

    Cars are getting very complicated now, and these failed parts are probably not made by Honda, keep that in mind. If the engine fails, you know it's Honda's fault.
     
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    I've been a staunch Honda proponent since a 1981 Honda Civic. Then another Civic, a couple Accords, an Acura CL-S, a Pilot, and an Element. All exceeded my expectations. This 2018 SI is no different. I will admit that the nature of my elation this time is mostly due to the unbeatable 3-way balance of price, performance, and mpg. And less about fit and finish. I have NO complaints about quality, but I do suspect that Honda might not have the clear lead in this area that they enjoyed for so long in the past. Others have certainly closed the (panel) gap.
     
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    #71 Gruber, Mar 17, 2019
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    I don't know if my hood bends less that yours; it certainly does bend a bit but it doesn't particularly appall me. It is thinner than my CR-V's. It probably saves some pounds.
    The largest gap is around the hatch. It is not extremely precise - I can slide in my phone between the hatch and the roof on one side, but not on the other. But this is not detectable visually. It is not detectable, because the gap is wide. Would I pay more money to have a narrower gap? No. First, the gap shows it's a hatchback, second, regardless of the factory assembly, if there is a need of some body work later, it will be easier and cheaper to fit then too. I had a slightly misaligned rear passenger door in my CR-V which I didn't notice when buying. The dealer's body shop fixed it free, but it wasn't easy (at least for what they wanted to pay for it). The narrower the gap, the harder it is to fit it.

    Also, for example, the front doors will give quite a bit if pushed at the center just below the window. In other cars it may be much more rigid at this spot.

    It used to be that several people could sit on the hood of some classic American cars. Now you would need a large SUV or a large luxury car maybe.
    Or get a BMW:*

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    Btw. can your CTR do this (I didn't think so):

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    * the BMW picture is fake
     
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    I find that the areas where it does chip is on the leading edge of the hood and really, they could paint that thicker and that issue would go away.

    Never noticed any issues with carpet. I just know the cloth on the Canadian EX doors and center console dirty up WAY too easy from just rubbing your skin.

    Oh and Honda horns have always sounded wimpy.

    I would say that as much as I have quite enjoyed the now 18 months with my 2017 EX Sensing Sedan (Canadian), I know that if I want a more appointed/quality interior car, I need to either get the Accord Sport 2.0 or get an Acura T or R model sedan.

    Comically, the only thing I really don't like about my Civic is the insanely low ground clearance. 125mm dry weight is ridiculously low. It is an inch lower than my old Gen7. It is only 4 mm higher than an Aston Martin DBS Superleggera. I catch it on things all the damned time and the approach angles off the bumper are just as cringey. I know I am not a small man (245 lbs) but me and my gas can't drop the ride height that much more. But hey, if this is one of the bigger elements to getting the insane fuel economy on the highway, then leave it. I love seeing 5.4 liters/100km on the dash! With 3 people, luggage and a roof box on it!
     
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    Here is your source, there is a law firm investigating a class action lawsuit against Honda for the enormous amount of people that have lost AC...

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    A bunch of class action lawyers puts together a suit and that proves what?!!
    I'm sure there is a class action suit saying "2+2=5".
    Too funny
     
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    To a class action lawyer, 2 people complaining creates an enormous group. Don’t forget, the lawyer gets the vast majority of the settlement in a class action suit. The owners get a pittance.
     
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