10th gen SI production number

[zroger73]

Cool info!

So... safe to assume we'll max out at 9999?

No, closer to nine five times that. Example:

700001 to 799999 = 99,999 sedans
- 750001 to 759999 (the VIN range reserved for up to 9,999 Canada Sedans)
= as many as 90,000 USA sedans in one year.

USA sedan VINs can range from 700001 to 749999 for a total of 49,999.
USA coupe VINs can range from 750001 to 799999 for a total of 49,999.

However many they can produce in a year...

They can produce hundreds of thousands, but the actual number will be closer to the 6.3% of all Civics that were Si for the 2015 model year. Honda sold about 430K Civics last year. The Si was late to the party for the 2017 model year and calendar years are different than fiscal years are different than model years, but it's safe to assume there will be about 2X,XXX Sis made during each 12-month period.

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[coopermidnight]

No, closer to nine times that. Example:

700001 to 799999 = 99,999 sedans
- 750001 to 759999 (the VIN range reserved for up to 9,999 Canada Sedans)
= as many as 90,000 USA sedans in one year.

I think I wasn't clear. I'm still wrong, but wasn't clear In any case, this makes my idea for a production # badge for my Si a bit confusing.

I assumed the "70" for USA sedans would always be there, like the "75" for USA coupes, meaning there would really only be 4 digits to play with. That would limit each one to 9999 and give a (hypothetical) max of just barely under 40k for USA + CAN sedans and coupes.

Also while you're in the neighborhood, could you explain the Type R production # thing for me? Apparently the last 5 on the VIN doesn't match the badge under the shifter.

 

[zroger73]

I think I wasn't clear. I'm still wrong, but wasn't clear In any case, this makes my idea for a production # badge for my Si a bit confusing.

I assumed the "70" for USA sedans would always be there, like the "75" for USA coupes, meaning there would really only be 4 digits to play with. That would limit each one to 9999 and give a (hypothetical) max of just barely under 40k for USA + CAN sedans and coupes.

Also while you're in the neighborhood, could you explain the Type R production # thing for me? Apparently the last 5 on the VIN doesn't match the badge under the shifter.

There will almost certainly be more than 9,999 USA Si sedans and/or coupes alone (though not for the 2017 year since it's short, but likely for the 2018 model year). We don't know the proportion of sedans vs. coupes (though I've seen estimates of 60% sedans and 40% coupes and a higher proportion of coupes are Sis than sedans that are Sis), but we do know there are far more USA than Canadian versions sold. Based on sales of over 26,000 Sis in 2015, it goes without saying that 4-digits would be inadequate to serialize each vehicle.

The first two digits of the 6-digit serial number for USA sedans obviously can't be limited to 70, it can also be 71, 72, 73, or 74.
The first two digits of the 6-digit serial number for USA coupes obviously can't be limited to 75, it can also be 76, 77, 78, or 79.

USA sedans can range from 700001 to 749999 for a total of 49,999 sedans.
USA coupes can range from 750001 to 799999 for a total of 49,999 sedans.

(Disregard my example from earlier. I will correct the post.)

As evidenced by the Ridgeline when a group of us were following it closely after the vehicle was launched, the "serial number" portion of the VIN doesn't necessarily go in order. This was discovered when we started seeing lower VINs on newer production dates. For example, one Ridgeline VIN ended in 006882 that was made 06/'17 while another Ridgeline VIN ending in 003447 was made in 08/'17 according to the label on the door jamb.

 

[calebyaj]

Thanks @zroger73 for the explanation.

 

[coopermidnight]

Thanks for the clarification @zroger73! So as for my "badge" project, would you say the last 5 on the VIN is close enough? A guy at work does metal stuff and agreed to make one for me; I've just been trying to finalize the design.

 

[zroger73]

Thanks for the clarification @zroger73! So as for my "badge" project, would you say the last 5 on the VIN is close enough? A guy at work does metal stuff and agreed to make one for me; I've just been trying to finalize the design.

By all means, feel free. The only time the VIN will correspond to the actual production sequence number, though, is for the initial run of like vehicles, which was probably a dozen or so US sedans of the same color. As soon as they began the next run (US coupe, Canada sedan, Canada coupe), the numbers stopped matching. Let's say they made 60 US sedans. The VINs would range from 700001 to 700060. If the next run was 40 US coupes, the VINs would range from 750001 to 750040. So, the 61st Si they made would have a VIN ending in 750001. So, VIN 701578 may actually be the 2,318th Si that rolled off the assembly line. Even then, with evidence of VINs being skipped then used later the VIN becomes even more distant from the actual production number.

You can't use the last four digits because there will be a US sedan, US coupe, Canada sedan, and Canada coupe that may all have, say, 0113, as the last 4 digits - none of which were the 113th Si to be produced.

You could use the last 5 digits, but there could conceivably be a US sedan and Canada sedan that shared the last last 5 digits, i.e., 711936 (US) and 211936 (Canada).

A more accurate, unique way to number a "badge" would be to use the full 6-digit VIN. However, that method fails when 2018 production begins since there will be a 2018 (and 2019, etc.) with a VIN ending in 701578 just like there was a 2017 VIN ending in 701578.

The Type R's 5-digit badge number is truly unique. It increments by one for each Type R manufactured regardless of which market the vehicle is for and has no relation to the VIN, either. There's no way for anyone but Honda to know the actual sequence number of Si produced.

 

[coopermidnight]

By all means, feel free. The only time the VIN will correspond to the actual production sequence number, though, is for the initial run of like vehicles, which was probably a dozen or so US sedans of the same color. As soon as they began the next run (US coupe, Canada sedan, Canada coupe), the numbers stopped matching. Let's say they made 60 US sedans. The VINs would range from 700001 to 700060. If the next run was 40 US coupes, the VINs would range from 750001 to 750040. So, the 61st Si they made would have a VIN ending in 750001. So, VIN 701578 may actually be the 2,318th Si that rolled off the assembly line. Even then, with evidence of VINs being skipped then used later the VIN becomes even more distant from the actual production number.

You can't use the last four digits because there will be a US sedan, US coupe, Canada sedan, and Canada coupe that may all have, say, 0113, as the last 4 digits - none of which were the 113th Si to be produced.

You could use the last 5 digits, but there could conceivably be a US sedan and Canada sedan that shared the last last 5 digits, i.e., 711936 (US) and 211936 (Canada).

A more accurate, unique way to number a "badge" would be to use the full 6-digit VIN. However, that method fails when 2018 production begins since there will be a 2018 (and 2019, etc.) with a VIN ending in 701578 just like there was a 2017 VIN ending in 701578.

The Type R's 5-digit badge number is truly unique. It increments by one for each Type R manufactured regardless of which market the vehicle is for and has no relation to the VIN, either. There's no way for anyone but Honda to know the actual sequence number of Si produced.

Yeesh! I'm glad you know so much.

So I guess the most unique identifying number I can craft is something like 2017-700863. That oughta be some good padding!

 

[zroger73]

Yeesh! I'm glad you know so much.

So I guess the most unique identifying number I can craft is something like 2017-700863. That oughta be some good padding!

The most unique identifying number you could craft is...wait for it...the VIN! Of course, we already have a durable, metal badge containing this number that is riveted to the vehicle's frame - it is visible from outside the vehicle at the lower, right hand corner of the windshield. It is also stamped directly into the frame where it is visible after removing an access cover under the passenger's floor mat.

 

[coopermidnight]

The most unique identifying number you could craft is...wait for it...the VIN! Of course, we already have a durable, metal badge containing this number that is riveted to the vehicle's frame - it is visible from outside the vehicle at the lower, right hand corner of the windshield. It is also stamped directly into the frame where it is visible after removing an access cover under the passenger's floor mat.

Yeah, but no one cares about the VIN. If I have a production number under the shifter, I'm automatically hot shit

 

[cmwalton16]

I saw a Steel Si Coupe in the parking lot at the VW plant this morning when I came in. Is it anyone on here?

 

[Old guy]

10th gen Aegean Blue Metallic Coupe bought in Iowa, number TenTen. AKA..... 1010

 

[zroger73]

10th gen Aegean Blue Metallic Coupe bought in Iowa, number TenTen. AKA..... 1010

And, 1010 is binary for ten.

 

[Darky]

0256 WOP Coupe, Ontario Canada

 

[dmitri]

...and the binary for 256 is 100000000. What!

 

[Darky]

...and the binary for 256 is 100000000. What!

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