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- Alex
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Hello Folks!
In the past few years, we have seen some people push this platform to the limits, especially on the road course. What happens on many occasions, is the front wheels lose contact with the surface for a brief moment. When it goes back on the road, that rapid combination plus the car pushing all the power down stresses the 4th gear and it shears all the teeth damaging the transmission. This causes all the metal (gear pieces) to get stuck between other components (final drive, other gear sets, etc.) and get damaged. But when is this problem happening? Iām sure most people tracking their cars and making over 450WTQ have no problems. So, this happens in combination with, Good traction (good tires lower than 200TW) and really fast drivers (when you can see the car in the air? Yes!). If you really donāt push the car beyond the limits on the road course and your R does not have upgraded suspension and all that's necessary to have better traction most likely nothing will happen. All of the above will be scenario A.
Letās talk about scenario B.
Most people push their cars on the street, Ā¼ mile, etc. We have seen people making really good power over 600WHP and 500WTQ and they havenāt complained. So you wonder āā When do I have to worry?āā. In our experience, we have pushed the car on multiple Ā¼ mile and street pulls making 500 whp and 450wtq with not one single issue. Also, our car has an upgraded clutch and sticky tires (summer tires below 200TW). We do not baby the car at all! Every time we race the car we are also flatfoot shifting. The shop car has been running for over 2 years, racing every day like a champ, but as soon as we started pushing above 550WHP all the nightmares started. We rebuilt transmissions with all OEM parts, and it lasted two weeks, then we got another OEM transmission and it lasted about the same. One time we swapped another unopened transmission with 2000 miles and it lasted one week.
Short story: If your car is pushing over 550WHP, you are racing often, flatfoot shifting, and you have good tires then yes, I would upgrade the 4th gear.
For people on the stock clutch, regular tires (300TW), and people shifting normally, you donāt have to worry. We donāt think you need to upgrade the gear if you just do some spirited driving, full throttle pulls here and there, not really pushing their cars too often.
I began this project back in 2020. But for different reasons, I couldnāt move the project forward. After years of development and real world testing, my project is complete.
This company speaks for themselves and that is why I choose Graf Gearboxes to manufacture the S.E.S upgraded 4th gear.
This 4th gear upgrade comes with a separate engagement ring allowing it to be serviceable if needed.
Price: $905
Specs : gear ratio 1:14 (22 /25)
Direct replacement for OEM transmission (bolt on)
Side notes : The upgraded 4th gear does make a bit more noise than the OEM but not by much, it is pretty quiet in comparison.
We recommend using MOTUL oil. https://www.motul.com/us/en-us - Motor oils and lubricants with this gearset.
For those who donāt know this company click on the link below.
http://www.grafgearboxes.com/
ABOUT GRAF ABOUT GRAF
We are a company that develops and produces gearboxes for competition vehicles through our highly specialized human team and state-of-the-art technology, focused on high quality, reliability and permanent innovation.
More than 50 years working together with motorsports have positioned us as one of the main manufacturers of Circuit, Formula, Rally, Rally Raid, Motorcycling and Drag gearboxes for competition cars, and has given us the opportunity to collaborate in obtaining of hundreds of races and several dozen championships.
Our goal is to provide a better service every day, that is why we not only design and manufacture gearboxes, but also everything related to the transmission of the racing car.
We currently have 9 gearset in STOCK.
For purchasing here's the website link.
www.seselectronicssoutions.com
Video coming soon : Stay tuned!
Alex.
In the past few years, we have seen some people push this platform to the limits, especially on the road course. What happens on many occasions, is the front wheels lose contact with the surface for a brief moment. When it goes back on the road, that rapid combination plus the car pushing all the power down stresses the 4th gear and it shears all the teeth damaging the transmission. This causes all the metal (gear pieces) to get stuck between other components (final drive, other gear sets, etc.) and get damaged. But when is this problem happening? Iām sure most people tracking their cars and making over 450WTQ have no problems. So, this happens in combination with, Good traction (good tires lower than 200TW) and really fast drivers (when you can see the car in the air? Yes!). If you really donāt push the car beyond the limits on the road course and your R does not have upgraded suspension and all that's necessary to have better traction most likely nothing will happen. All of the above will be scenario A.
Letās talk about scenario B.
Most people push their cars on the street, Ā¼ mile, etc. We have seen people making really good power over 600WHP and 500WTQ and they havenāt complained. So you wonder āā When do I have to worry?āā. In our experience, we have pushed the car on multiple Ā¼ mile and street pulls making 500 whp and 450wtq with not one single issue. Also, our car has an upgraded clutch and sticky tires (summer tires below 200TW). We do not baby the car at all! Every time we race the car we are also flatfoot shifting. The shop car has been running for over 2 years, racing every day like a champ, but as soon as we started pushing above 550WHP all the nightmares started. We rebuilt transmissions with all OEM parts, and it lasted two weeks, then we got another OEM transmission and it lasted about the same. One time we swapped another unopened transmission with 2000 miles and it lasted one week.
Short story: If your car is pushing over 550WHP, you are racing often, flatfoot shifting, and you have good tires then yes, I would upgrade the 4th gear.
For people on the stock clutch, regular tires (300TW), and people shifting normally, you donāt have to worry. We donāt think you need to upgrade the gear if you just do some spirited driving, full throttle pulls here and there, not really pushing their cars too often.
I began this project back in 2020. But for different reasons, I couldnāt move the project forward. After years of development and real world testing, my project is complete.
This company speaks for themselves and that is why I choose Graf Gearboxes to manufacture the S.E.S upgraded 4th gear.
This 4th gear upgrade comes with a separate engagement ring allowing it to be serviceable if needed.
Price: $905
Specs : gear ratio 1:14 (22 /25)
Direct replacement for OEM transmission (bolt on)
Side notes : The upgraded 4th gear does make a bit more noise than the OEM but not by much, it is pretty quiet in comparison.
We recommend using MOTUL oil. https://www.motul.com/us/en-us - Motor oils and lubricants with this gearset.
For those who donāt know this company click on the link below.
http://www.grafgearboxes.com/
ABOUT GRAF ABOUT GRAF
We are a company that develops and produces gearboxes for competition vehicles through our highly specialized human team and state-of-the-art technology, focused on high quality, reliability and permanent innovation.
More than 50 years working together with motorsports have positioned us as one of the main manufacturers of Circuit, Formula, Rally, Rally Raid, Motorcycling and Drag gearboxes for competition cars, and has given us the opportunity to collaborate in obtaining of hundreds of races and several dozen championships.
Our goal is to provide a better service every day, that is why we not only design and manufacture gearboxes, but also everything related to the transmission of the racing car.
We currently have 9 gearset in STOCK.
For purchasing here's the website link.
www.seselectronicssoutions.com
Video coming soon : Stay tuned!
Alex.
