The Infamous 2nd Gear Crunch

[MisterC]

Summary of this thread is people to can't drive stick or beat the shit out of their cars have grinding issues...

More like, it's a legitimate problem with the transmission that almost everyone will eventually encounter. They will either learn how to drive around it, spend a while throwing fixes at it until it improves enough they can drive around it, or lastly, never learn and destroy the 2nd gear.

The fact we don't see more posts talking about a fully grenaded 2nd gear tells me the transmission is well built but inherently flawed when it comes to certain things.

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[Dude]

i picked up my 2021 type r 9 days ago, at 210 miles it crunched 2nd gear, then later that day wouldn't go into 6th first try... ive driven stick most of my life, im 34, this car hasn't been over 3psi of boost or above 4500 rpm. i am breaking it in, being as gentle as i can. this transmission at the very least has quirks. but so has every other ive ever driven, none have been perfect.

 

[Lust]

i picked up my 2021 type r 9 days ago, at 210 miles it crunched 2nd gear, then later that day wouldn't go into 6th first try... ive driven stick most of my life, im 34, this car hasn't been over 3psi of boost or above 4500 rpm. i am breaking it in, being as gentle as i can. this transmission at the very least has quirks. but so has every other ive ever driven, none have been perfect.

I’m willing to bet your clutch pedal has too much free play and not enough pedal travel

 

[Dude]

I’m willing to bet your clutch pedal has too much free play and not enough pedal travel

i read a decent amount of this thread, including watching your video, i thank you for doing that. but so far its only happened 1 time and im not really willing to mess with a brand new car like that just yet...

its a tough pill for me to swallow imagining honda messing up so many cars in such a simple way, yet its not impossible either... thanks again, if i deem this a problem worthy of a fix ill definitely try yours first, it makes more sense to me than the people claiming honda's using the wrong transmission fluid... thats for sure.

 

[WhiskeyTango]

i read a decent amount of this thread, including watching your video, i thank you for doing that. but so far its only happened 1 time and im not really willing to mess with a brand new car like that just yet...

its a tough pill for me to swallow imagining honda messing up so many cars in such a simple way, yet its not impossible either... thanks again, if i deem this a problem worthy of a fix ill definitely try yours first, it makes more sense to me than the people claiming honda's using the wrong transmission fluid... thats for sure.

Its a simple adjustment made to the clutch master cylinder rod made right at the pedal. Its basically a must, as the cars seems to be leaving the factory with really poor adjustment made.

 

[ApexEight]

i read a decent amount of this thread, including watching your video, i thank you for doing that. but so far its only happened 1 time and im not really willing to mess with a brand new car like that just yet...

its a tough pill for me to swallow imagining honda messing up so many cars in such a simple way, yet its not impossible either... thanks again, if i deem this a problem worthy of a fix ill definitely try yours first, it makes more sense to me than the people claiming honda's using the wrong transmission fluid... thats for sure.

I see where you're coming from, but I view it as making the car right insead if messing with it. A lot of Type Rs had bad alignments from the factory too. That's not something you'd let slide just bc it came from the factory that way, it needs to be corrected, just like a poorly adjusted clutch pedal. It's not triple OG Japanese dudes handcrafting these cars in JDMland, it's factory workers in London trying to keep the assembly like going (no shade).

 

[MisterC]

Yeah the clutch pedal adjustment is the one step I'd suggest anyone encountering the issue regularly and early on try. Factory cars tend to shoot for a very "near the floor" engagement point so it's worth trying.

 

[JohnEBlaze]

or that Honda builds a mediocre tranny....same shit as the FG/FA Si's, same shit as the EM Si's

I owned those cars too and never had tranny issues.

More like, it's a legitimate problem with the transmission that almost everyone will eventually encounter. They will either learn how to drive around it, spend a while throwing fixes at it until it improves enough they can drive around it, or lastly, never learn and destroy the 2nd gear.

The fact we don't see more posts talking about a fully grenaded 2nd gear tells me the transmission is well built but inherently flawed when it comes to certain things.

Except the number of people with tranny grinds is extremely minute so your hypothesis of a flaw doesn't pan out. I'll say the throw between 17-19 and 20+ shifter makes the tranny much smoother but I don't believe the transmission is flawed as you say. If this were the case the grind issue would be mentioned in numerous reviews. I think I've seen 1 reviewer on YouTube experience a grind.

 

[MisterC]

You are posting in a 117 page thread where hundreds of people who regularly drive stick and performance cars have reported an inexplicable grind from 1st to 2nd, but we've established you're a shifting Superman Johnny, who never has problems and it's totally everyone's fault, why not go jerk off somewhere else now?

Nobody has time to link you to every YouTube review that mentions it. Good luck with your diamond hands, tool.

 

[princeRS]

I owned those cars too and never had tranny issues.

congratulations

 

[WhiskeyTango]

You are posting in a 117 page thread where hundreds of people who regularly drive stick and performance cars have reported an inexplicable grind from 1st to 2nd, but we've established you're a shifting Superman Johnny, who never has problems and it's totally everyone's fault, why not go jerk off somewhere else now?

Nobody has time to link you to every YouTube review that mentions it. Good luck with your diamond hands, tool.

Probably one of those guys who has 1500 miles on his 2018 and pulls it out every Sunday to wash it then put it back in the garage, like my boomer neighbor does with his C4 Corvette ?

 

[Jwolf]

You are posting in a 117 page thread where hundreds of people who regularly drive stick and performance cars have reported an inexplicable grind from 1st to 2nd, but we've established you're a shifting Superman Johnny, who never has problems and it's totally everyone's fault, why not go jerk off somewhere else now?

Nobody has time to link you to every YouTube review that mentions it. Good luck with your diamond hands, tool.

Sell your car, clearly you are the diamond hands superman that knows when a transmission is bad or good.

Just because someone drives manual regularly does not in anyway mean they are good at it, or even understand the a quirk in a transmission, they instead just keep repeating the same poor habits in a never ending cycle of chaos.

I don't say this to discredit any who actually have an issue mind you, I do believe some may have said issue, but the vast majority of people that report something are causing the issue themselves by shifting poorly.

Not to mention, if it is "hundreds" of people that have this issue like you claim, that's still a extremely minor amount of owners. I bet if you counted the "hundreds" of people on this "117" page thread (116), you might end up with a hundred.

 

[JohnEBlaze]

You are posting in a 117 page thread where hundreds of people who regularly drive stick and performance cars have reported an inexplicable grind from 1st to 2nd, but we've established you're a shifting Superman Johnny, who never has problems and it's totally everyone's fault, why not go jerk off somewhere else now?

Nobody has time to link you to every YouTube review that mentions it. Good luck with your diamond hands, tool.

Too bad the joke is on you. Enjoy dealing with the gear grinds an eventual bill to correct it. . I’ll go about my GRIND FREE DAY now.

 

[MisterC]

Too bad the joke is on you. Enjoy dealing with the gear grinds an eventual bill to correct it. . I’ll go about my GRIND FREE DAY now.

I was pretty clear that the fix is "just stop doing it" but it's pretty obvious you can barely read. When there isn't a problem, there isn't a topic. This topic, with over a thousand replies, didn't come from nowhere. It's here because this transmission allows the user to move the gear select lever, in many situations, faster than the gear likes. That's a design flaw, stop acting like a child.

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