Featured Sad news...MK6 Civic Type R may go hybrid

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    It's be a massive joke when planned hybrid system can't match current Type-R ability, without screwing up it's street usability.

    Electrification isn't the way, when weight is so much more impactful. Just have a lighter and smaller version of current Civic. Akin to 103 inch/2400lb 90s Civic would be a good basis for a more performance oriented models. One reason why the Veloster N is doing so well is not because of better engineering, but because it's a smaller car (vs Civic). Honda probably could do Veloster's proportions in a much lighter package. Lighter weight would be a massive advantage since Honda's 2.0L power-train doesn't rely on mid-range power to perform. If done, there will be a true separation between the Accord and Civic and no need to cross shop.
     
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    it is really going to be a "type R" though if its electric....
     
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    ummm yeah they are actually thinking of making it 4WD as well as a hybrid...

    Here is the quote for Car & Driver article
    "That's not quite official confirmation, but it sure is a strong hint. It could also hint at an even bigger change for the Civic Type R. After all, while Honda sells fuel-efficient hybrids with front-wheel drive, it seems to prefer all-wheel drive for its performance hybrids. If the hybridized Type R from Orbis Wheels that we drove last year is any indication, an e-AWD hot hatch could be a lot of fun."
     
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    I would so much rather them try this with an Acura instead. Next you’ll tell me they plan to offer an automatic option as well...
     
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    Auto trans and hybrid drivetrain were already tried on an Acura.

    Acura NSX
     
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    What is the actual benefit to making the type r or any performance car a hybrid? Other than making it more expensive, more complex, higher repair costs and minimal mpg improvement.
    Everything the NSX does could have been achieved with a simpler, cheaper AWD system.
    A $24k Prius is in the same class (size) as a $13k Versa with the main differences being one gets maybe 35% better mpg but costs double. Pay 100% more for 35% better gas mileage, higher long term repair costs, no thanks. Leave the type r as is please.
     
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    That's a dumb comparison, Versa is a piece of garbage. Prius is actually one of the most reliable cars available. A more apples-to-apples comparison of hybrid vs conventional can probably be found with the Rav4. The hybrid Rav4 costs $800 extra compared to the non-hybrid, gets 15 more hp, and uses 40% less fuel.
     
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    Regular Rav4 would make it up the mountain while Hybrid got lost along the way looking for those fantasy horsepower to power up the fantasy AWD system... Better efficiency in ideal circumstance vs real world driving which isn't always ideal.
     
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    That is true about ideal circumstances vs real world driving. With the current Rav4, the EPA rates it as 28% more efficient that the non-hybrid. Real-world driving on Fuelly shows that it's actually around 35% more efficient than the non-hybrid.
     
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    Ive never driven a sporty hybrid vehicle before but to me it doesn't sound like a terrible idea. As long as the manual is still there and you can still hear the car's engine, who cares? It can only add HP right?
     
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    We still have more than 2 years to speculate. The 11G Civic is only due for Fall 2020 and the Type R probably not before Spring/Summer 2021...
     
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    So a Prius which is a compact car is comparable to a rav4 and my comparison was dumb?
     
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    Prius to Versa is dumb. Rav4 to Rav4 is a more direct comparison.
     
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    It's not.
    The Prius is a compact car, not an cuv, suv, or sav.
    The versa is also a compact car similar in size to the prius. Just like a civic and a Jetta. Rav4 would be compared to a crv.
     
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    Remember, the Type-R is not a built-from-the-ground-up race car. It's a hopped-up Civic hatchback.

    If anything, the tech from the CR-Z/NSX/etc will trickle down (or "trickle up" from the CR-Z) to make a pretty rad, hopped-up hybrid commuter car.

    I'd like to see a Type-R or Si version of the little electric Honda due out later this year.
     
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