Rare issue, Maybe red-line is causing refusal to go in to second gear? (RESOLVED)

[RoB y4h3ll]

So since I purchased my 2020 civic Si sedan, I have had some issues trying to quick shift in to second. More than often this happens after sitting idle in neutral (Clutch out of course) with the engine running for 5-20 minutes(Usually this seems to happen after leaving a car meet... so you know how awesome it is to miss a gear during these situations lol.. I leave and get on it pretty good. When shifting from first to second, some times the transmission absolutely refuses to switch to second. A buddy of mine said that it could be because I hit red-line.. Some times I do hit red-line but sometimes not.. I could be mistaken, but I think this could likely be the cause.. common sense says that this is obviously the issue. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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[amirza786]

If you have driven any other MT in your life, this one is a bit different, especially 1st to 2nd. You just have to figure out, learn it's power band, and allow the synchros to do their job. You'll get used to it. I drove manual for more than 15 years, and it took me some time to be able to smoothly shift. Once you get used to it, you'll be about 99 percent able to shift smoothly

Also keep in mind that this car has a fuel cutoff that comes pretty quickly in both 1st and 2nd. It won't let you redline

 

[RoB y4h3ll]

If you have driven any other MT in your life, this one is a bit different, especially 1st to 2nd. You just have to figure out, learn it's power band, and allow the synchros to do their job. You'll get used to it. I drove manual for more than 15 years, and it took me some time to be able to smoothly shift. Once you get used to it, you'll be about 99 percent able to shift smoothly

Also keep in mind that this car has a fuel cutoff that comes pretty quickly in both 1st and 2nd. It won't let you redline

Are you sure I am not hitting redline? I mean it sounds like two step nearly when hitting it. lol

 

[amirza786]

Are you sure I am not hitting redline? I mean it sounds like two step nearly when hitting it. lol

Fuel cutoff would stop you from redlining. I believe the max you can go in 2nd gear is 58 mph, which slows down the Si's 0 to 60 times

 

[RoB y4h3ll]

Fuel cutoff would stop you from redlining. I believe the max you can go in 2nd gear is 58 mph, which slows down the Si's 0 to 60 times

Ahh, that makes since. I think you are right, it seems like I see high 50s in second a lot .

 

[SDAlexander8]

Ahh, that makes since. I think you are right, it seems like I see high 50s in second a lot .

Ehhh, it’s more like 53-54 mph in 2nd gear for the 2020s with the FDR change.

I haven’t heard of anyone getting locked out of 2nd gear after hitting fuel cut-off in 1st. It might be worth getting it checked out by the dealer if the problem continues.

Also, make sure your car is somewhat warmed up before ripping it to redline in first. Could cause some problems in the long term.

 

[RoB y4h3ll]

Ehhh, it’s more like 53-54 mph in 2nd gear for the 2020s with the FDR change.

I haven’t heard of anyone getting locked out of 2nd gear after hitting fuel cut-off in 1st. It might be worth getting it checked out by the dealer if the problem continues.

Also, make sure your car is somewhat warmed up before ripping it to redline in first. Could cause some problems in the long term.

Ohh definitely, temps show fully heated to operating temperature when im having this issue... but I swear its only after sitting idle(engine running) for 5ish20ish minutes. Also take note, I am shifting pretty fast and some times *edit* its like *edit* no lifting the accelerator in order to keep boost up as much as possible.
*edit* Just to clarify, I DO lift the accelerator im just doing it so fast it doesnt sound like I am.*edit*

Now tell me if I am wrong, the faster you shift, the more boost you keep correct?

 

[repeet]

Try pumping the clutch a couple of time before launching. The OEM clutch master cylinder is known to be marginal.

 

[REBELXSi]

Ohh deffinatly, temps show fully heated to operating temperature when im having this issue... but I swear its only after sitting idle(engine running) for 5ish20ish minutes. Also take note, i am shifting pretty fast and some times no lifting the accelerator in order to keep boost up as much as possible.

I just think thats to much for this car..

Just got scolded by a mod for telling you the truth, so instead, keep driving your brand new car in a manner in which it wasn't meant to be driven and then make threads about how you're screwing it up.

 

[bugboy32337]

Temporary Tag expires in 2 weeks, and you're already "No lift" shifting from 1st to 2nd ...

Seems to me, you're treating your virgin prom date like the worn out porn star you found on the internet.

 

[ycehcky]

Like others have stated. It looks to be your driving habits, and not your car. 1st to 2nd is the quickest to happen shift, and you have rev hang and not lifting in the mix...Lift between shifts, because your car is going to kill throttle either way shifting that high of RPM. Nothing wrong with revving it out, and you can still quickly lift, shift, and go again. This will likely help your issue of missing shifts.

 

[stevessvt]

Temporary Tag expires in 2 weeks, and you're already "No lift" shifting from 1st to 2nd ...

Seems to me, you're treating your virgin prom date like the worn out porn star you found on the internet.

You had me at worn out porn star.

 

[RoB y4h3ll]

Try pumping the clutch a couple of time before launching. The OEM clutch master cylinder is known to be marginal.

Alright, I will give it a try. Thanks for the input.

 

[RoB y4h3ll]

Just got scolded by a mod for telling you the truth, so instead, keep driving your brand new car in a manner in which it wasn't meant to be driven and then make threads about how you're screwing it up.

Well its not exactly no lifting. I'm letting off like you should, its more of a figure of speech rather than how I was actually shifting. I'm pressing the clutch all the way in, and also letting off of the accelerator, then quickly putting the gear in then quickly letting off of the clutch, following that, pressing the accelerator quickly. Its only second gear that feels like the shift gate is still closed. Yes I did type "some times no lifting"... I didn't actually mean to type that out like that. I was on a long road trip that day, and had a just few minutes to write back. I usually respond on my rig so I have plenty of time to respond. I wasn't actually shifting without a clutch or without letting off of the accelerator. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
This is the honest truth. I've heard of horror storys over no lift shifting. Its something that the dealership could detect im sure. That would be a really stupid way to void some warranty repair work.

I will correct the post with an edit.

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Ohh definitely, temps show fully heated to operating temperature when im having this issue... but I swear its only after sitting idle(engine running) for 5ish20ish minutes. Also take note, I am shifting pretty fast and some times *edit* its like *edit* no lifting the accelerator in order to keep boost up as much as possible.
*edit* Just to clarify, I DO lift the accelerator im just doing it so fast it doesnt sound like I am.*edit*

Now tell me if I am wrong, the faster you shift, the more boost you keep correct?

 

[RoB y4h3ll]

Temporary Tag expires in 2 weeks, and you're already "No lift" shifting from 1st to 2nd ...

Seems to me, you're treating your virgin prom date like the worn out porn star you found on the internet.

Lol no, not what I meant by that. Also I have 5,550kish miles so its pretty broken in.

This is a copy paste and tailored reply from another reply that I corrected.

Its not exactly no lifting. I'm letting off like you should, its more of a figure of speech rather than how I was actually shifting. I'm pressing the clutch all the way in, and also letting off of the accelerator, then quickly putting the gear in then quickly letting off of the clutch, following that, pressing the accelerator quickly. Its only second gear that feels like the shift gate is still closed. Yes I did type "some times no lifting"... I didn't actually mean to type that out like that. I was on a long road trip that day, and had a just few minutes to write back. I usually respond on my rig so I have plenty of time to respond. I wasn't actually shifting without a clutch or without letting off of the accelerator. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

This is the honest truth. I've heard of horror storys over no lift shifting. Its something that the dealership could detect im sure. That would be a really stupid way to void some warranty repair work.

Like I said above, I typed this out to correctly explain how I have actually been driving the car.

I will correct the post with an edit.

(Post edited)


Ohh definitely, temps show fully heated to operating temperature when im having this issue... but I swear its only after sitting idle(engine running) for 5ish20ish minutes. Also take note, I am shifting pretty fast and some times *edit* its like *edit* no lifting the accelerator in order to keep boost up as much as possible.
*edit* Just to clarify, I DO lift the accelerator im just doing it so fast it doesnt sound like I am.*edit*

Now tell me if I am wrong, the faster you shift, the more boost you keep correct?

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