Possible 19mm black lug solution?

[xc1v1cx]

I know there have been a lot of posts about this, but I didn't find one that gave an answer other than OEM black lugs from Euro market, or conical to ball seat adapters. I'm probably missing something, but what about these?
https://roadsportsupply.com/50266-h...s-19mm-hex-m14x1-5-ball-seat-black-phosphate/

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[ctrmofo]

Yes, quite a few of you go aftermarket but must use the adapters for $1 each if you’re using it on Honda/Acura OEM wheels I’m afraid. We tested a few for weight purposes. All except OEM are 19mm.

 

[xc1v1cx]

@ctrmofo the difference with the ones I linked is that they are ball seat instead of conical, so no adapters needed? I did order and install the conical to ball seat adapters, however even when torqued correctly, I got a ticking sound (almost like a CV joint issue) when turning the steering wheel all the way left or right and in motion (i.e. parking). Took it to the dealership thinking it might be something with the CV joints, but they said the adapters were causing the ticking noise. They removed the adapters and the noise stopped.

Any thoughts you could share on your experience? Did you adjust torque differently with your adapters? Above all else I just want to keep things safe and also not damage my NSX rims.

 

[ctrmofo]

@ctrmofo the difference with the ones I linked is that they are ball seat instead of conical, so no adapters needed? I did order and install the conical to ball seat adapters, however even when torqued correctly, I got a ticking sound (almost like a CV joint issue) when turning the steering wheel all the way left or right and in motion (i.e. parking). Took it to the dealership thinking it might be something with the CV joints, but they said the adapters were causing the ticking noise. They removed the adapters and the noise stopped.

Any thoughts you could share on your experience? Did you adjust torque differently with your adapters? Above all else I just want to keep things safe and also not damage my NSX rims.

Did not have any of that at all and used them on NSX wheels actually. No torque issues whatsoever and autocrossed with NSX wheels and adapters. That’s just odd.

 

[revvhappy]

Those nuts are listed for Porsche vehicles. There doesn't seem to be a consistent answer about the arc of the ball seat between Acura and Porsche specs. I have a set of NSX wheels and I'm also looking for a good solution.

 

[xc1v1cx]

Those nuts are listed for Porsche vehicles. There doesn't seem to be a consistent answer about the arc of the ball seat between Acura and Porsche specs. I have a set of NSX wheels and I'm also looking for a good solution.

@revvhappy Ahh, gotcha- that makes sense, thank you. Whomever ends up making a 19mm Honda spec black ball-seat lug nut will certainly have customers!

I just ordered a thin wall 22mm socket hoping that it will have enough clearance with the NSX rims to use Euro OEM black lugs. I certainly want to keep as much surface area contact as was intended for safety reasons.

 

[nxt3]

Those nuts are listed for Porsche vehicles. There doesn't seem to be a consistent answer about the arc of the ball seat between Acura and Porsche specs. I have a set of NSX wheels and I'm also looking for a good solution.

What lug nuts did you end up going with? I just got my NSX wheels and can't seem to find nuts that don't need me to use an adapter...

 

[revvhappy]

I did another search for something useful and still came up without a known good solution. I'll probably end up with adapters or a turned down socket.

 

[nxt3]

I did another search for something useful and still came up without a known good solution. I'll probably end up with adapters or a turned down socket.

I went ahead and ordered these: https://www.ezaccessory.com/Porsche_Ball_Seat_Lug_Nuts_14x1_5_Black_p/98-0029bk.htm

I've seen people on the forum say that these wouldn't work with a Honda wheel due to the ball radius being larger--but I also saw someone say Acura wheels use the same ball radius as Porsche (14mm)--so these should work. I'll let you know.

 

[xc1v1cx]

Did not have any of that at all and used them on NSX wheels actually. No torque issues whatsoever and autocrossed with NSX wheels and adapters. That’s just odd.

@ctrmofo I removed the adapters and still had a tick tick tick sound when doing a sharp turn. I took it back to the dealership this morning and they suspect that it is the plastic hub rings (64.1 to 70.1) that were causing the noise. This kind of makes sense, as the ticking did sound plastic (as opposed to metallic). They added some grease to the hub rings, and so far they are quiet. My question is this- do you have an opinion on aluminum hub rings vs. plastic, and if aluminum have benefits, do you know where I could find those for purchase in the right size?

I just want to make sure I am not risking any safety here.

 

[TypeSiR]

@ctrmofo I removed the adapters and still had a tick tick tick sound when doing a sharp turn. I took it back to the dealership this morning and they suspect that it is the plastic hub rings (64.1 to 70.1) that were causing the noise. This kind of makes sense, as the ticking did sound plastic (as opposed to metallic). They added some grease to the hub rings, and so far they are quiet. My question is this- do you have an opinion on aluminum hub rings vs. plastic, and if aluminum have benefits, do you know where I could find those for purchase in the right size?

I just want to make sure I am not risking any safety here.

Hub-centric rings aren’t load-bearing; primarily for centering wheels during installation. You can go without them without safety issues. A lot of them are plastic (perfectly fine for street use). Only need to concern if you track and melt them from brake heat, thus use metallic hub rings on the track or go without them.

 

[xc1v1cx]

Thank you @TypeSiR - this is very helpful!

I have a lot to learn for sure...

 

[ctrmofo]

@ctrmofo I removed the adapters and still had a tick tick tick sound when doing a sharp turn. I took it back to the dealership this morning and they suspect that it is the plastic hub rings (64.1 to 70.1) that were causing the noise. This kind of makes sense, as the ticking did sound plastic (as opposed to metallic). They added some grease to the hub rings, and so far they are quiet. My question is this- do you have an opinion on aluminum hub rings vs. plastic, and if aluminum have benefits, do you know where I could find those for purchase in the right size?

I just want to make sure I am not risking any safety here.

I mainly use aluminum because they don’t crack or break like plastic. Can’t find aluminum in that size so had to use plastic. Can have them custom made at many places online but cost about $100 to make in aluminum.

 

[nxt3]

I went ahead and ordered these: https://www.ezaccessory.com/Porsche_Ball_Seat_Lug_Nuts_14x1_5_Black_p/98-0029bk.htm

I've seen people on the forum say that these wouldn't work with a Honda wheel due to the ball radius being larger--but I also saw someone say Acura wheels use the same ball radius as Porsche (14mm)--so these should work. I'll let you know.

I got them installed today and the Discount Tire guys said these lugs should be fine; I think I'm the first on this forum to attempt this. Haven't driven it much today, but so far, NSX wheels + Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ are a real winner!

 

[keiothic]

I got them installed today and the Discount Tire guys said these lugs should be fine; I think I'm the first on this forum to attempt this. Haven't driven it much today, but so far, NSX wheels + Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ are a real winner!

Are the paint pretty good on this? Or do they strip easily?

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