Yep, and service bays at Honda dealers are empty cause they're perfect.a tech friend of mine seems to always be working on a few hyundai problem cars a month. the worst case was metallic debris in the block
well said. I feel like that hate on the N, are like the STi owners that hate on the R.I ran a Hyundai based forum for over 15 years (elantraclub.com) and the members there had been overwhelmingly happy with their cars. At one point before I archived the site we had 20,000+ members so I think that's a good sample size.
Guys look, I'm old... And I'd like to think I'm objective. I've owned a three Hondas and an Acura. All were great cars. I've owned a Hyundai and a Kia. They were equally as reliable. The Hondas were better on handling but Hyundai has come a long way these days. The N may not be the equal to the R but I don't think Hyundai is marketing it that way. It's only these online reviewers. For the price or less than the price of a GTI, you get a car that totally blows something like that away. The R is definitely a better performer. But, the N may appeal to people who maybe think the R is a bit over the top styling wise. I personally dig the whole 3 door idea just for the coolness factor.
The R is the King, but I certainly think the N is still worth considering for the price. And the warranty is great. I think you guys that say "I wouldn't even think of buying an N" may want to take a test drive when they hit dealer lots.
my point was this is an engine component quality control issue. in no way am i saying hondas are perfect but debris in the blockYep, and service bays at Honda dealers are empty cause they're perfect.
I love my Honda but newflash there are other brands out there that are good too.
And this explains your stance a whole lot better.I ran a Hyundai based forum for over 15 years (elantraclub.com) and the members there had been overwhelmingly happy with their cars. At one point before I archived the site we had 20,000+ members so I think that's a good sample size.
Guys look, I'm old... And I'd like to think I'm objective. I've owned a three Hondas and an Acura. All were great cars. I've owned a Hyundai and a Kia. They were equally as reliable. The Hondas were better on handling but Hyundai has come a long way these days. The N may not be the equal to the R but I don't think Hyundai is marketing it that way. It's only these online reviewers. For the price or less than the price of a GTI, you get a car that totally blows something like that away. The R is definitely a better performer. But, the N may appeal to people who maybe think the R is a bit over the top styling wise. I personally dig the whole 3 door idea just for the coolness factor.
The R is the King, but I certainly think the N is still worth considering for the price. And the warranty is great. I think you guys that say "I wouldn't even think of buying an N" may want to take a test drive when they hit dealer lots.
I have to agree with that, lol. Golf R to me has always felt like a compromise between the STi and the CTR...you get AWD and a touch of the lux feel with the Golf R's interior...imoHyundais have the lowest quality interiors in the biz. The GTI is best in class in that regard. Far better than the CTR, in fact.
Well, talk to GM techs, and they'll tell you stories about debris in the block and stuff much worse.my point was this is an engine component quality control issue. in no way am i saying hondas are perfect but debris in the block
No, that distinction goes to Ford.Hyundais have the lowest quality interiors in the biz.
You didnt hit a nerve, im just pointing out the facts in front of me. You probably serviced a bunch of anomalies if what you're saying is really true. I travel a lot in my line of work and im always picked up by uber drivers in their hyundai sonatas which are at 150K+ miles that still drive great and are comfortable. On top of that I know actual people who have owned and currently owned Hyundais and they all were reliable as hell. You're kidding yourself if you think modern Hondas are so much more reliable than a modern Hyundai, facts show that isnt the case at all. Ill take a collection of reputable sources anyday over a supposed service manager who experienced all these issues. Hondas are not as reliable as you think anymore, its just the facts bro and im not even hating, just the way it is.Wow. struck a nerve there my apologies but I have to go with my experience within the industry over this past decade and hands down the worst cars I have dealt with are hyundai's. I dont care what internet oogling you've done. I have had to have the conversations with the owners of the cars and I refuse to ever be a face for hyundai again. Take it or leave it but as recently as 3 model years ago they were shit. I doubt it has changed as drastically as your "evidence" suggests. I wouldn't own one if given to me and that comes from an unbiased approach that got changed into how I feel about the brand based on ACTUAL experience selling service on them....
Definitely do not agree. Even the Fiesta ST interior crushes the Veloster. Hyundai/Kia plastics are just bad!No, that distinction goes to Ford.
yeah, my kia sorento's interior creaks a bit...and ride is horrible...probably trade that in eventually, but it's paid forDefinitely do not agree. Even the Fiesta ST interior crushes the Veloster. Hyundai/Kia plastics are just bad!
Same! There’s no reason multiple species of similar cars can’t coexist. Competition is good after all - that’s what leads to improvements down the road!well said. I feel like that hate on the N, are like the STi owners that hate on the R.
The N seems like a good car and I welcome the owners.