My friend blew his motor on TSP stage 2

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  1. amirza786

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    #271 amirza786, Jan 13, 2020
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    According to the reddit post, the person drove 150 miles after flashing. In California smog is about every 5 or 6 years, I think here we would need to worry more about modifying the stock intake/CAT, which is illegal in this state
     
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    DTCs can and do get reset. But it does not seem to apply to burn-in codes or pending codes. For what it's worth, this issue doesn't seem to come up during a routine OBDII scan. Only when Honda attempts to access live data/history surrounding a very specific event (like an over-rev).
     
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    I hope it's actually eight years, heh.

    I plan on adding a PRL intercooler and CAI, and then removing it come smog check time.
     
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    Well damn
     
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    Since they can see that the ECU was touched, it'll be logical to assume that the ECU was altered to improve performance in one way or another, unless people are modifying ECU for other reasons not performance related.
     
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    #276 JT Si, Jan 13, 2020
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    I agree. Proof of modification of the PCM is not proof the modification caused the failure. In fact, without fully diagnosing the failure they have no evidence the PCM modification caused it.

    How can you know what caused the problem if you don't know what the problem is?

    I'm not dismissing anyone from needing to take responsibility for tuning, but there was blatantly no evidence to blame the modification. They have no right to cancel the warranty given the lack of evidence they presented.

    I almost want to say that is fake, and a scare tactic. There is no way the deep dive required to make a full determination to cancel warranty like that was made simply for some difficulty shifting into gear. It's not like his engine or tranny blew.

    Edit: It gotta be fake. No typos from the service advisor?

    Before anyone jumps me, bear in mind it is absolutely possible an issue as described could be due to a failure not caused by tuning. A faulty shifter linkage, a defective synchro, a bad shifter assembly, a sticking clutch, faulty master or slave cylinder, bad throw out bearing... The list goes on. I find it outright sickening (and potentially illegal) they didn't complete a diagnosis before throwing it in the customer's face.
     
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    I have a question when u say dont abuse does that mean I cant floor it to feel my ktuner power?
     
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    For argument sake, let's say it's not fake. From reading the notes, it doesn't look like they are blaming the gear lockout on tuning, although it may be implied that additional power from being tuned could have damaged the drivetrain. If this is real, there could be more to this story, for example there may be a history of this person messing stuff up and getting warranty repairs. If I'm blowing engine components, eating thru clutches etc Honda might become suspicious.

    Anyway, I'm not sure how it can be verified if this is real or not
     
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    Flooring it would NOT be abuse.
     
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    Ok so what is considered abuse ? I recently got me ktuner but kinda scared to floor it cause I saw some post about things blowing up the most I've gone is around 4500 rpm
     
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    One thing I will add to this thread as I am a service adviser myself. "Lying" or misrepresenting communication from a manufacturer to a customer is a huge deal. Everything on the ticket is able to be presented in court and is legal paperwork between the customer and manufacturer.
     
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    There are some precautions to take if your car is still new or if you are newly driving for the day regarding high-range RPM. Otherwise, outside of temperatures, the higher the RPM the safer you are to do things like floor it. Tis better to floor it at 4500 RPM than at 2500 RPM.
     
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    When I click on the image, it opens a new tab and all I get is "Not Found". Has the original post been taken down?

    EDIT: I removed all of the crap after the "?" in the link and it worked. :)
     
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