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  1. jasonjm

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    I’m sure that the tunes exert additional stress outside the parameters that Honda intended. I’m sure that you may see possible oil life reduced, spark plug life reduced, even fuel pump issues over time (since it is operating at higher duty cycle for longer times - outside calculated mtbf). You may even see dirtier pistons. Etc...

    However we do have some information.

    - As noted the race teams use it and most likely use a more aggressive tune.
    - The tunes provided by Hondata are described as conservative, with some head room.
    - There hasn’t been any cases yet (that I know of) if anyone running the base maps and destroying their engine (though we would need a much longer sample time as the car only came out in 2017).
    - Honda themselves have noted that the engine had room left in it (there was an interview with the lead engineer by a AU magazine, I think where he mentioned it).

    With the above and knowing that one may have to more judiciously check and replace oil(s), plugs, look for good fuel (logs for knock to find premature pump issues as the car ages into the upper 50-100k miles), it would seem plausible to entertain that the Hondata base map tune will not “affect” the engine as so far as “destroy” or accelerate its “destruction” beyond what could be reasonably calculated as its EOL total running working cycle time taking into consideration random atmospheric conditions and standard calculated error rates (I.e. engine life is also calculated in high temp scenarios like an arid climate such as the Middle East and such must use different oil and/or change it more frequently).

    Nonetheless one could further surmise that a base map tune’s “working environment” would be equal to or slightly greater than that of a harsh and active arid climate. As far as conditions go.

    But so would the original claim of running on a racetrack.

    I don’t run the car on the track with the frequency that the others here have, so I do feel somewhat safe to know that the engine has yet to blow up after being utterly beat on in extreme conditions.

    Just my 25 cents. Pop it in candy machine or throw it in the pond.
     
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    #77 Hondata, Jan 2, 2020
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    I raced my daily driver company car - B16a CRX on the track for a total 24 hours over a 2 year period. It ran in one of the following three states:
    Full acceleration peaking at 120 mph each lap
    Full braking
    Maximum G cornering​
    I used fully synthetic oil and replaced the filters regularly. At the end of that time I stripped the engine and measured the component wear. Everything was within new specification. My opinion is that the only thing that could have killed that engine is poor maintenance or an over-rev due to mis-shift.
     
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    Thank you @Hondata and @jasonjm. Makes sense that lifetime of some ‘wear’ elements might be shortened and good to see data indicating ‘engine condition’ being unaffected per data from folks like Hondata.
    @jasonjm’s point about data being limited to 2017 was kind of the spirit of my original question.

    Anyways, all this just means I’m getting closer to buying myself a belated Xmas present by handing over some money to Hondata.... :)

    Thanks again.
     
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    Thanks @Hondata for sharing/creating this. I installed it yesterday. One question though. When selecting maps, the normal fuel is set to 10% ethanol. I only pump at one Shell gas station and use 93 every time. The label on their station says 10% ethanol. However on your app, when I select to see the ethanol content, it displays zero. Is that a concern?

    Thanks!
     
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    Unless you have an ethanol sensor wired for flexfuel than the ECU does not know the ethanol content of the fuel.
     
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    anybody looking for a flashpro a member just posted one .
     
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    Hondata clearly states that applying their tuning is only legal for track use, but lots of folks seem to be tuning their daily drivers. What are the consequences of street use with this tune?
     
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    Maybe hondata can say something on that . I believe it can be used at all times , tunes are based of your bolt ons . Or just want more power when needed , i would say that aggressive tunes are more just for track days
     
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    Thank you. And yep, I’m wondering if @Hondata has any comment beyond the warning printed on their tuning kits.
     
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    Mostly just more fun on the street with just a tune. But if you are balls-out modded with a loud exhaust and gets caught by a LEO, just be prepared to accept the consequence as a grown adult. The race version ain’t legal on public streets so their disclaimer is just covering their bases. They also sell a CARB version for the environmentally conscious.
     
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    Yeah. Agreed. To be clear, I’m curious what the consequences are of being non-street legal with a conservative tune. Hondata is pretty clear that any tune is only legal for the track.
     
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    Mostly just more fun.
     
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    Look at it this way many performance parts like suspension and other mods all label there product not street legal , guess the only real legal way is to use as it comes from factory . At least were im from you could drive super moded no problem except if its to loud other than that doesn't matter
     
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    They’re carb version has the same base maps (forget which one) that is offered in the non carb version. Just can’t modify them. Correct me if I’m wrong.
     
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