James3spearchucker
Senior Member
- First Name
- James
- Joined
- Dec 31, 2017
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- 342
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- Location
- El Paso, Texas
- Vehicle(s)
- 2017 Honda Civic Hatchback Sport
There are two sides to this coin. People have always forgiven Honda for building the Civic line with compromises but in 2020 and with the above 20k price point, people expect more in terms of design and build quality. I think turbo/GDI is definitely a compromise in this iteration because the L15B7 1.5 is not as refined as the K-series motors that feature bed-plate and counter-balance. These engines feature very advanced engine mounts but they have a good amount of vibration. The seats could definitely be better. Noise is a step back. When you speak to Honda about flimsiness or issues, they readily say that it is all to reduce weight. Many improvements could be had with zero weight penalty but were not done. I agree that there are plenty of good qualities to these Civics and they are not perfect but I feel that Honda focuses Accord for its NO COMPROMISES approach and leaves Civic owners with plenty of frustrations even though the prices are not very different. I also think the whole design was rushed and it shows. Why did Civic sedans come out in 2016 and Accord in 2018? Because Accord was more fully designed and vetted and tested. On Civics, the visual aesthetic was a little funky and the interior elements half-baked.I hear this so often..
"Oh X isn't as good as it used to be, because I had this problem."
Look up the TSBs for the 90s civics, they definitely weren't perfect either...
There are plenty of people on this forum that have had absolutely no problems with their car, including me and probably many other people on this thread. Honda wasn't perfect, isn't perfect, and will never be perfect, neither will any other car brand. Nostalgia definitely puts a lens on how we view older cars. I'm saying that because I'm guilty of it too.
Overall the Civic saw very good engineering to ensure decent cooling to the new global turbocharged engine and good drivetrain, braking, and suspension. The more human elements involving comfort, noise, and entertainment/infotainment were underdeveloped.
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