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Ford drops a bombshell..

Discussion in 'Civic versus...' started by kritz, Apr 26, 2018.




  1. kritz

    kritz Senior Member

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    Yeah because Ford is a POS!
     
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    how long until Lincoln gets the axe?
     
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    Rumor has it the Continental is being discontinued soon because they don't sell. Just like the RLX will too.
     
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    Apparently the new Accord, that everyone in the press loves, is seeing lackluster sales.

    This is probably just a response to the prevailing trend of people buying more and more SUVs and crossovers. People want more room and the appearance of utility in their vehicles now.

    Full sized sedans might all get the ax in the near future. Companies that struggle in the econo-box market will probably drop them all together and focus on their profitable product lines.

    From the outside looking in, this might seem like a smart business decision, but I think that not having and entry level car in their lineup is going to cost them down the road. The entry level car gets the college crowd in the door and builds brand relationships. The Civic was Honda's "in" to the market and once people bought them, they tended to stay with Honda long term. With no cheap Escort/Focus in their lineup Ford might be shooting themselves in the foot.
     
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    Based on what?
     
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    The sales are down on the Accord because Honda just now started offering some discounts. I'm starting to see more on the road.
     
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    Issue with a new transmission they're starting to use. Based on that... Honda's are a POS too. The 9 speed Acura used that is getting sprinkled into the Odyssey line under the highest trim was reviled upon release. Their 5 speeds failed left and right some years back. Their 6 speed has several TSBs with lots of failures, especially on the heavier vehicles. Their 10 speed is an unknown... we shall see how it holds up. I know I won't buy a Honda with one until there's a few years of history on it.

    Just saying'...

    The sedan market is imploding. It's been going a long time. The remaining makers are trying to get a bigger piece of a shrinking pie. I guess Ford decided they didn't want to go for it.
     
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    That's the problem, they have to offer rebates and discounts to sell them. That's the core issue, profitability.
     
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    That would be telling. American vehicles have been super devalued since time out of mind since the production from the factories has outstripped demand anywhere near MSRP. The factories have pushed rebates forever to move units. Honda had produced far fewer units but managed to sell them closer to MSRP than their GM/Ford counterparts. It doesn't bode well if they're having to do so as well to clear the lots of old stock at Honda dealerships. I didn't really read up on the stuff. Ford had already announced axing the Fiesta quite a while ago. I wonder if they're shifting tooling to other production stateside for other models or are curbing production altogether.
     
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    Doesn't matter. We will be driverless in 10 years.
     
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    I'm sure there'll be a good bit of cars capable of self driving sold by then, but the vast majority on the road won't be.

    Your timeline is faster than the timeframe of automakers starting to have backup cameras as standard equipment and sticking to it to them being mandated in the US... and that wasn't a fundamental change... but one of convenience and safety that got mandated for safety alone. I think having HAL drive our car for us is going to take awhile for a lot of people to get used to and I'm not sure what the added cost of integrating that tech is... but I wouldn't be surprised it it adds upwards of $5-10k.
     
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    You get what you pay for. I would rather pay a few grand more for my Honda and just do maintenance and it have high resale value. I have had Fords before.....never again!
     
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    Also I don't see the fascinating with all these trucks jacked up with big tires and coaling! It's like the resurgence of Bigfoot when it came out for the first time. The LDT (little dick trucks) with the cockless balls hanging from the bumper...wtf
     
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