Civic Sport Touring 6MT vs Si

[MutatedMango]

I really wanted a hatch Si as well... Type R is too much money for a FWD econo box. A hatch Si would have been PERFECT but I had to settle with a sedan since I really wanted the performance of the Si. FWD without LSD is a nightmare. Damn Honda for not making the hatch available in all trims and same to mitsu for not bringing the wagon evo to the states!

Same here man, would've been awesome I love the hatch this generation

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[VarmintCong]

drive both and I promise you that you won't look back at the sport hatch just from the LSD alone. It's night and day in my book

Telling hatch lovers to buy a sedan is like telling vegans to try a bison burger.

 

[BlueSi4me]

I am an old man, but what is LSD? Don't even go there.

It's great for a trip.

 

[Kronic77]

Man I feel bad for you guys in the USA. All the new features you have been waiting for on the 2020 sport touring hatch already came standard on my 2017. I live in Canada though where the hatch is cheaper than the Si as well. The dealer also sold it to me for the same price as the regular sport model, so really couldn't pass that up.

 

[nyccars56]

I guess I've been out of the loop, but I just realized today that the Sport Touring will be available as a 6MT for 2020. Weighing the pros/cons between that model & the Si. Obviously the Si has more power, adaptive dampers, plus its own unique interior treatment. Touring has leather...and what else?

Generally I prefer the hatch body style, but wondering what else I'd be missing if I went with the 2020 Si.

Based on what I was able to lookup and find, the Hatchback Sport Touring will give you these features that the Si doesn't:

- Leather seats
- Power driver seat (8 way)
- Power passenger seat (4 way)
- Heated rear seats
- Navigation
- 12 speaker, 540 watt sound system (10 speakers and 450 watts in Si)
- Auto dimming rearview mirror
- Homelink
- Rain sensing wipers
- LED turn signals integrated in side mirror
- Side sill extensions and lower body kit (similar to Type-R)
- Chrome door handles? (haven't been able to verify in pictures)
- Twin central exhaust (some prefer the look compared to Si)

A few things you'll get in Si compared to Sport Touring

- 25 more horsepower and 15 more lb-ft of torque
- Shorter gear ratios and shorter shifter throw
- 2 mode adaptive dampers with a sport mode
- Stiffer suspension tuning
- Limited slip differential
- Approx 1 inch larger front and rear brake rotors
- Sport front seats with more side bolstering
- More performance oriented all season tires
- Option from factory for summer tires

It's a $3,050 difference between the two models (ST $28,980, Si $25,930)​

 

[bnb0523]

Based on what I was able to lookup and find, the Hatchback Sport Touring will give you these features that the Si doesn't:

- Leather seats
- Power driver seat (8 way)
- Power passenger seat (4 way)
- Heated rear seats
- Navigation
- 12 speaker, 540 watt sound system (10 speakers and 450 watts in Si)
- Auto dimming rearview mirror
- Homelink
- Rain sensing wipers
- LED turn signals integrated in side mirror
- Side sill extensions and lower body kit (similar to Type-R)
- Chrome door handles? (haven't been able to verify in pictures)
- Twin central exhaust (some prefer the look compared to Si)

A few things you'll get in Si compared to Sport Touring

- 25 more horsepower and 15 more lb-ft of torque
- Shorter gear ratios and shorter shifter throw
- 2 mode adaptive dampers with a sport mode
- Stiffer suspension tuning
- Limited slip differential
- Approx 1 inch larger front and rear brake rotors
- Sport front seats with more side bolstering
- More performance oriented all season tires
- Option from factory for summer tires

It's a $3,050 difference between the two models (ST $28,980, Si $25,930)​

Good thing here in Canada the Si has the following so it's not far behind from what the ST can offer

- LED turn signals, LED headlamps
- Navigation (who cares AA and carplay is way better)
- Heated rear seats (perfect for that December - February weather)
- Wireless charging pad
- spare tire

 

[conbrio]

I have a 6MT Sport Touring, was wondering, what are soe ways to make it drive and handle like an Si? For starters, I've just ordered the Acuity centering spring to stiffen up the shifter...

 

[Neddih]

I have a 6MT Sport Touring, was wondering, what are soe ways to make it drive and handle like an Si? For starters, I've just ordered the Acuity centering spring to stiffen up the shifter...

Without LSD its probably going to be hard to get the same feeling out of the car in the twisties but the best things you could so suspension-wise are probably things like sway bars and sub frame braces,
these will help a lot. I'm not sure how you would match the dampeners but you can exceed them with coil overs.

 

[Snidely]

Based on what I was able to lookup and find, the Hatchback Sport Touring will give you these features that the Si doesn't:

- Leather seats
- Power driver seat (8 way)
- Power passenger seat (4 way)
- Heated rear seats
- Navigation
- 12 speaker, 540 watt sound system (10 speakers and 450 watts in Si)
- Auto dimming rearview mirror
- Homelink
- Rain sensing wipers
- LED turn signals integrated in side mirror
- Side sill extensions and lower body kit (similar to Type-R)
- Chrome door handles? (haven't been able to verify in pictures)
- Twin central exhaust (some prefer the look compared to Si)

A few things you'll get in Si compared to Sport Touring

- 25 more horsepower and 15 more lb-ft of torque
- Shorter gear ratios and shorter shifter throw
- 2 mode adaptive dampers with a sport mode
- Stiffer suspension tuning
- Limited slip differential
- Approx 1 inch larger front and rear brake rotors
- Sport front seats with more side bolstering
- More performance oriented all season tires
- Option from factory for summer tires

It's a $3,050 difference between the two models (ST $28,980, Si $25,930)​

If I'm not mistaken the si has stronger rods

 

[jakdotdot]

Without LSD its probably going to be hard to get the same feeling out of the car in the twisties but the best things you could so suspension-wise are probably things like sway bars and sub frame braces,
these will help a lot. I'm not sure how you would match the dampeners but you can exceed them with coil overs.

Tires and springs would make more of a difference than braces.

 

[laz's SI]

It comes down to the preference of the each person , in my case I choose the SI and no regrets

 

[Neddih]

Tires and springs would make more of a difference than braces.

True I kind of skipped over those and just mentioned coilovers at the the end instead though

 

[Aero2001]

I'm glad this thread popped to the top today, because I've been mentally comparing the ST Hatch with the Si ever since I learned the ST Hatch is available with 6MT this year.

I would prefer a hatch overall, mostly to reduce the car's length for street parking here in Center City Philadelphia. Our neighborhood is getting more crowded by the day, so a shorter car would be great. I'd also like some of the ST's other features, especially the upgraded stereo.

But I don't think I could give up the Si's power and handling advantages just to get the hatch. I know I'd regret it. I don't think a two-door would work for us, but I am going to investigate the Si coupe anyway, because that size is just about perfect.

 

[Jessegovols]

I'm leaning to the Sport Hatch manual in Blue over the Si. They made some good changes on the Si but the body still looks a bit off with the tacked on style pieces in the rear and the HDMI exhaust. The Sport Hatch rear just works, probably because of the black rear diffuser and proper twin exhaust. It just blends together so much more. They also updated it's infotainment, Honda sensing, smart entry etc as well, which makes the Sport Hatch manual more compelling and a great bargain for just over 23,000 and it has incredibly useful cargo room. I'll probably keep this as my daily while I wait on the 11th gen Si to add to my garage.

 

[SiFever]

I'm leaning to the Sport Hatch manual in Blue over the Si. They made some good changes on the Si but the body still looks a bit off with the tacked on style pieces in the rear and the HDMI exhaust. The Sport Hatch rear just works, probably because of the black rear diffuser and proper twin exhaust. It just blends together so much more. They also updated it's infotainment, Honda sensing, smart entry etc as well, which makes the Sport Hatch manual more compelling and a great bargain for just over 23,000 and it has incredibly useful cargo room. I'll probably keep this as my daily while I wait on the 11th gen Si to add to my garage.

Yes, I agree, the Civic Si Coupe, which I own, drive, and love, is a bit of an ugly duckling viewed from behind. It just looks... off. The best looking model is the Sport Hatch, hands down. But I don't need a hatchback, and the Coupe suits my needs better. Gotta mod this thing, was gunna leave it stock but after looking at too many pics of radical awesome Civics, I gotta do some cosmetics. I hope the 11th gen turns out ok, if so I may get one of those too. We shall see.

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