Car and Driver Instrumented Test Performance Results for Civic Type R

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Read the Top Gear comparison, it goes into detail about the CTR-FoRS driving differences. The TG team liked using both for back road bombing missions, but found the CTR far more livable day to day, praising its uncanny ability to transform itself from a comfortable cruiser to a track weapon at the flick of a switch.
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CTR on Cup 2s would .... hmm.
 

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Instrumented test. That'll do.

Full article/review @ http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-honda-civic-type-r-test-review


Figures compiled by jpmelfi:

Civic Type R:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 21.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 9.4 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.5 sec @ 108 mph
Top speed (drag limited, C/Dest): 170 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 142 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.02 g

RS (on Cup 2s):
Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.0 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 25.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.9 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 9.7 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.4 sec @ 102 mph
Top speed (governor limited, mfr's est): 165 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 154 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.04 g

Golf R (manual):
Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.0 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 24.3 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.3 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 10.5 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 7.5 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.7 sec @ 103 mph
Top speed (governor limited, C/D est): 150 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 157 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.95 g

STI:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.7 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 23.1 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.4 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 11.0 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 7.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.3 sec @ 105 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 159 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 153 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.93 g
I sat in a CTR today. Was very nice. Was $39000 with dealer markup....
 

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There's a handful of cars out there that is faster in a straight line than the CTR under $40k. What's great about the CTR is that it's fast and handles amazing. If I wanted a car that has more prestige and is faster 1/4 for around the same price, I would purchase a base M240i.
My Mustang was under $40k, $36100 to be exact, and does 12.7 sec 1/4 mile at 118mph, 4.6 sec 0-60' has 15" 6 piston Brembo brakes, 8" touch screen, heated and cooled leather seats. And has equal lateral G acceleration. Why is this CTR worth so much?
 

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My Mustang was under $40k, $36100 to be exact, and does 12.7 sec 1/4 mile at 118mph, 4.6 sec 0-60' has 15" 6 piston Brembo brakes, 8" touch screen, heated and cooled leather seats. And has equal lateral G acceleration. Why is this CTR worth so much?
stock is 37k + destination and including tax , so you got yours 5k+ off msrp? I would like to see a proof. Mustang gt does come well equipped no joke for its price. CTR is one of the most well equipped vehicles for its price for 34.7k with destination in comparison to a RS and STI fully equipped at 42-43k
 


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My Mustang was under $40k, $36100 to be exact, and does 12.7 sec 1/4 mile at 118mph, 4.6 sec 0-60' has 15" 6 piston Brembo brakes, 8" touch screen, heated and cooled leather seats. And has equal lateral G acceleration. Why is this CTR worth so much?
Fun FWD car that many of us have been waiting a couple decades for that set the world record for FWD on the ring and has the ability of the above numbers? Sounds like a good deal to me for 34,775. It's also on the cheaper end of the hot hatch class of cars. V8 Mustang (base of 37+dest for the premium with the extra features vs 33.9+dest for the Type-R Touring) isn't really its competition in the market, STi, RS, Golf R, etc are.

If you want a straight line car, yeah the Mustang will beat it. Not what I bought it for though, I don't live my life a 1/4 mile at a time. I had a rental car for a week that was a new GT, tons of fun, but I'm partial to turbo engines over muscle car V8s. I would take this over some of the much bigger V8 cars any day. Shelby 350 might be another story though. :p

The Type-R was worth every penny in my opinion.
 

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stock is 37k + destination and including tax , so you got yours 5k+ off msrp? I would like to see a proof. Mustang gt does come well equipped no joke for its price. CTR is one of the most well equipped vehicles for its price for 34.7k with destination in comparison to a RS and STI fully equipped at 42-43k
Dealer invoice was $36500, I paid $100 over invoice, then got a $500 rebate. Making the price $36100 for a GT premium with performance package. And no, your CTR will not out corner a performance pkg equipped GT. They have the same skid pad G force.. you will get better mileage though. No doubt about that. I get 25+ highway, but only about 12mpg when out playing.....
 

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Do you have links to show the Mustang GT with performance package pulls 1.02g on the skidpad?

Here is a link from C/D of the Mustang GT with the performance package 0.95g:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-ford-mustang-gt-instrumented-test-review

Without the performance pack, C/D got 0.83g:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-ford-mustang-gt-automatic-test-review

Here's another Mustang GT with Performance Package pulling around 0.95g:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-ford-mustang-gt-long-term-test-wrap-up-review

In all cases, I see them doing 12.9 to 13.0 at 112-113mph, auto or manual. Do you have a link showing 118mph trap speed?

As we can see in the above links, you can configure a Mustang GT to $45k. The CTR only comes in one flavor and it's $34k. I think we can only talk about MSRP as every dealer will give you different discount. And discount also depends on supply and demand.

Mustang GT Premium: $38k
Performance Pkg: $3k
Recaro Seats: $1.5k
GPS: $800
Total: $43.5k

I'd imagine someone looking for a hot hatch probably want something that is decently fast, comfortable, and practical. The latter is especially important for people that just plan to have one car for the family. In this case, the cargo space in the CTR is 26 cu.ft with all seats up, and 46 cu.ft with second row seats down. For the Mustang, it has a decently sized trunk at 13.5 cu.ft, but that's nowhere near the Civic's.
 

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My Mustang was under $40k, $36100 to be exact, and does 12.7 sec 1/4 mile at 118mph, 4.6 sec 0-60' has 15" 6 piston Brembo brakes, 8" touch screen, heated and cooled leather seats. And has equal lateral G acceleration. Why is this CTR worth so much?
from a performance pov of course i expect the GT to be faster, way more HP and Tq, but i doubt it has the same skidpad #'s.....but imo a CTR will always be worth more than any mustang GT with whatever pkg, first b/c its a honda, much better reliability and much much higher resale value..period. next ford sells about 103k mustangs per year, thats about 8500 a month, that's more than all of the CTR's made for 2 whole years. i happen to have an s2000 from 2004, that is almost 13 years old and its still worth about $20K, i wonder how much you GT will be worth in 13 years hmmmmm.. and the S2k is not anywhere near as limited as the type-R is.
 

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Dealer invoice was $36500, I paid $100 over invoice, then got a $500 rebate. Making the price $36100 for a GT premium with performance package. And no, your CTR will not out corner a performance pkg equipped GT. They have the same skid pad G force.. you will get better mileage though. No doubt about that. I get 25+ highway, but only about 12mpg when out playing.....
And your point?
My sixth gen camaro ss was $36k and will demolish your 5.0
12.1 sec consistent 1/4th mile 119 trap (slip) stock.

Real world your GT will get 13.0-13.3 with 6 speed if you're a god at shifting. No way you trap at 118 mph...
Trust me, we have no shortages of 5.0s here in SoCal.
Every kid and his mother drives a mustang.

If you're buying a CTR for straight-line speed, you shouldn't ever be considering one.
That being said, please don't ever tell me a PP 5.0 outcorners and outperforms a CTR on the track...
 


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Dealer invoice was $36500, I paid $100 over invoice, then got a $500 rebate. Making the price $36100 for a GT premium with performance package. And no, your CTR will not out corner a performance pkg equipped GT. They have the same skid pad G force.. you will get better mileage though. No doubt about that. I get 25+ highway, but only about 12mpg when out playing.....
Well, if it's not cornering, the CTR probably does something better than the 'stang (although it probably is cornering ;) ). I think lap times are a good indicator of overall sports car performance, you get to drag the straight, brake, and dance around the corner, any other metric is a bit one dimensional. We'll know better soon, but all signs point to the CTR posting quicker lap times than the Focus RS, but it's probably not as quick as an M2 around the track (certainly the CTR is slower in a straight line than the M2). Car and Driver Lightning Lap has the Focus RS at 3:03.9 and the M2 at 3:01.9, so it's likely the CTR will be about 3:02.9 this year, we'll see. The Mustang GT, with performance pack does 3:05.2. Close, but very likely slower than the CTR by a couple seconds. (Also, the v-6 camaro, 3:04, is quicker than the performance pack v-8 mustang GT!!)

http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...results-historical-lap-times-and-more-feature
http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...2-class-mustang-gt-golf-r-s3-and-more-feature
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/chevrolet-camaro-1le-at-lightning-lap-2016-feature

Edit: I'm putting my money on the CTR being the fastest track car for under 35k every tested by C&D... It only needs to beat the Camaro 1LE...
 
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Well, if it's not cornering, the CTR probably does something better than the 'stang (although it probably is cornering ;) ). I think lap times are a good indicator of overall sports car performance, you get to drag the straight, brake, and dance around the corner, any other metric is a bit one dimensional. We'll know better soon, but all signs point to the CTR posting quicker lap times than the Focus RS, but it's probably not as quick as an M2 around the track (certainly the CTR is slower in a straight line than the M2). Car and Driver Lightning Lap has the Focus RS at 3:03.9 and the M2 at 3:01.9, so it's likely the CTR will be about 3:02.9 this year, we'll see. The Mustang GT, with performance pack does 3:05.2. Close, but very likely slower than the CTR by a couple seconds. (Also, the v-6 camaro, 3:04, is quicker than the performance pack v-8 mustang GT!!)

http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...results-historical-lap-times-and-more-feature
http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...2-class-mustang-gt-golf-r-s3-and-more-feature
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/chevrolet-camaro-1le-at-lightning-lap-2016-feature

Edit: I'm putting my money on the CTR being the fastest track car for under 35k every tested by C&D... It only needs to beat the Camaro 1LE...
The CTR, based on preliminary tests and NB track times, will almost certainly post amazing stats.
Razor-sharp turn in and virtually non-existent torque steer contributes to phenomenal track performance.
And 3100 lbs, come on!

The Sixth Gen V6 1LE Camaro is a monster.
Performance-wise, it's M2 caliber with little to no drawbacks (esp. considering price).
The SS 1LE and the new ZL1 LE are simply in a different class!
I will say that I'm not too impressed with the build-quality and refinement of the new Camaros.
 

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Let me just put my two cents out.

I don't believe a true car enthusiast should purchase a car just for its C&D performance figures.

In the past, I just wanted to go fast-- anything that could get me there was good.
If the magazines corroborated how quick a car was, then I was all for it.
I started trusting more about what people wrote online than I actually did based on my own driving experiences.

Similarly, I think we place too much value on how much lap times and 0-60s really mean to us.

The CTR is more involving in an intrinsic level than a Mustang or Camaro ever will be.
Too much power, and you ruin the balance. Too much weight, and it feels like you're piloting a boat.
And while I may not be a fan of the excessive styling, I'm glad Honda decided to focus on keeping the car light/nimble and purist in nature.

I sold my Focus RS for a reason. At the end of the day it was still a Ford, even if it was made in Saarlouis.
 

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My Mustang was under $40k, $36100 to be exact, and does 12.7 sec 1/4 mile at 118mph, 4.6 sec 0-60' has 15" 6 piston Brembo brakes, 8" touch screen, heated and cooled leather seats. And has equal lateral G acceleration. Why is this CTR worth so much?
*shrug* Reputation for reliability, maybe?

As both a car and motorcycle enthusiast, I've always viewed the former as a terribly poor choice if the primary goal is to go fast. :)
 

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Let me just put my two cents out.



Similarly, I think we place too much value on how much lap times and 0-60s really mean to us.

The CTR is more involving in an intrinsic level than a Mustang or Camaro ever will be.
Too much power, and you ruin the balance. Too much weight, and it feels like you're piloting a boat.
And while I may not be a fan of the excessive styling, I'm glad Honda decided to focus on keeping the car light/nimble and purist in nature.

I sold my Focus RS for a reason. At the end of the day it was still a Ford, even if it was made in Saarlouis.
So many don't get that! Well said!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:
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