Car and Driver Instrumented Test Performance Results for Civic Type R

[Browncoat3000]

I said it would need to hit 5.0 or less and damn if Honda didn't nail it.

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[Mick the Quick]

Just to put all the numbers in one place. It is crazy, how not close it is.

CTR:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 21.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 9.4 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.5 sec @ 108 mph
Top speed (drag limited, C/Dest): 170 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 142 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.02 g

RS (on Cup 2s):
Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.0 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 25.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.9 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 9.7 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.4 sec @ 102 mph
Top speed (governor limited, mfr's est): 165 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 154 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.04 g

Golf R (manual):
Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.0 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 24.3 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.3 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 10.5 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 7.5 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.7 sec @ 103 mph
Top speed (governor limited, C/D est): 150 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 157 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.95 g

STI:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.7 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 23.1 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.4 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 11.0 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 7.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.3 sec @ 105 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 159 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 153 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.93 g

Wow. Thanks for compiling this chart. To think that CTR is all that at $5K less. Amazing.

 

[Jessegovols]

From the perspective of someone who has never and will never be on a track or drag strip or modifies their vehicles in any way (me), it's interesting to see the relationship between different vehicles.

$35K Type R - $40K-$60K with ADM vs. ($25K Si) vs. ($31K Camry)
Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec (6.3 sec) (6.1 sec.)
Zero to 100 mph: 11.5 sec (15.9 sec) (15.0 sec.)
Zero to 130 mph: 21.7 sec (34.4 sec) (N/A)
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec (7.4 sec) (6.4 sec)
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 9.4 sec (12.6 sec) (N/A)
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 6.1 sec (8.3 sec) (N/A)
Standing ¼-mile: 13.5 sec @ 108 mph (14.8 sec @ 96 MPH) (14.6 sec @ 98 MPH)
Top speed (drag limited, C/D est): 170 mph (gov ltd 137 mph) (gov ltd 129 mph)
Braking, 70-0 mph: 142 ft (N/A) (189 ft)
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.02 g (N/A) (0.79 g)

At $25K and low maintenance costs, the Si is a performance bargain and a great daily driver. At $35K and higher maintenance costs, the Type R's additional performance seems worth the price for a track car, but not so much as a daily driver. At $40-60K (thanks to ADM), it's very difficult to argue a case for the Type R at all.

I've heard those Type R tires only last about 10,000 miles too. Heck of an expense every year or couple of years depending on how much you drive it

 

[Boostlag]

only if you use those tires they last 10k miles, I plan on using all seasons most of the year and using performance tires only during summers.

 

[UFO CTR]

I've heard those Type R tires only last about 10,000 miles too. Heck of an expense every year or couple of years depending on how much you drive it

These tire are actually pretty damn grippe!

EDIT: I probably won't go with SC2 until I get really serious about the track...otherwise, these Conti's are fine!

 

[Phosky]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that in almost every metric the new CTR is faster than the last NSX

 

[Boostlag]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that in almost every metric the new CTR is faster than the last NSX

you realize the last nsx was a product and design of the 80's right?

 

[yargk]

With this logic, why purchase a Type R? A camry can get you from point A to B just fine gramps

It's much more fun to go to race tracks and fly through corners at 100 mph than dump a clutch at a stoplight

 

[joe007]

Slower than STI, but a bit cheaper too... except I can get an STI this afternoon, and the CTR is unobtainium.

CTR is a nice car, but Honda really needs to boost production, otherwise they will lose sales to the other cars in that list. Build it Honda!!!

 

[Boostlag]

By all numbers CTR is the faster car but I bet you anything that 99% of the people here can go faster around the track in a Focus RS. Only downside I'm looking at the Civic is current Focus platform is so dated inside and out and deal breakers like starting up in default neutered normal mode with city start/stop.

 

[iforyou]

What do you think 99% of the people here can go faster around a track in a Focus RS? Because of its torque vectoring AWD?

 

[Boostlag]

What do you think 99% of the people here can go faster around a track in a Focus RS? Because of its torque vectoring AWD?

Focus RS is probably one of the easiest cars to drive fast, not only because its awd but the way the car feels. Its very confidence inspiring, car feels safe at the limit. Its just one of those cars that feel best at 9 to 10/10ths. Best way to describe the way RS drives is the way Evo feels. Both the Evo and the RS are the only cars I've ever driven where I felt completely comfortable probing the limits immediately getting behind the wheel. Also the driving style is more video game like, it encourages hamfisted late apex throw it in to a corner and flooring it and letting the torquevectoring sort everything putting you back in to line.

From what I gather Type R rewards delicate inputs and precision driving, for those chasing laptimes and improving driving skills this is the tool to do it in. Neither is better than the other, basically RS will make you look like a better driver than you really are.

 

[iforyou]

I see what you mean now. I haven't driven any of those cars so I have no idea. Haha my understanding from what I've read though is that the CTR is also very easy to drive to the limit.

 

[jpmelfi]

Slower than STI, but a bit cheaper too... except I can get an STI this afternoon, and the CTR is unobtainium.

CTR is a nice car, but Honda really needs to boost production, otherwise they will lose sales to the other cars in that list. Build it Honda!!!

It is literally better in every category, except 0-60, where it is .1 slower.... which is the main reason the 1/4 is slower, but the trap speed isn't really that close 108 to 105. You really look at those numbers and think the STI is faster?

 

[GSquared]

Focus RS is probably one of the easiest cars to drive fast, not only because its awd but the way the car feels. Its very confidence inspiring, car feels safe at the limit. Its just one of those cars that feel best at 9 to 10/10ths. Best way to describe the way RS drives is the way Evo feels. Both the Evo and the RS are the only cars I've ever driven where I felt completely comfortable probing the limits immediately getting behind the wheel. Also the driving style is more video game like, it encourages hamfisted late apex throw it in to a corner and flooring it and letting the torquevectoring sort everything putting you back in to line.

From what I gather Type R rewards delicate inputs and precision driving, for those chasing laptimes and improving driving skills this is the tool to do it in. Neither is better than the other, basically RS will make you look like a better driver than you really are.

We were just talking about this last night at the mini meet. The CTR really feels like it is more stable when it is pushed harder than just driving around. It's really quite the car. I don't have an Evo or RS to compare it to though, so I don't know the feeling of those two cars while driving at the limit.

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