2020 speculation? Think they will drop the R in the USA?

[darkknight1975]

So I was reading the other day that overall civic sales are down, way down, to the tune of 80k plus cars then the years before in the USA. And with almost every American manufacturer dropping cars in general due to the American idea that only a big gas guzzling SUV is the only car to own. Where do you think this leaves the R? With low R sales, not because of customer desire but limited numbers, and over all car and civic sales dropping, the desire for cars in general in the US dropping, dealer shennaigans and all the aggravation around buying an R. Do you think they will continue to import it here?
We love the R we think its the best car ever. but in reality its not a super popular car with the general public, sure they like it an all but most wouldn't buy it. your talking what 320 million people in the US alone and not counting all of NA that the car was released in and what maybe 10,12k Rs sold with some still sitting on lots. Regardless of how we feel the R is a niche market.

I what do you think, think they will bring it back for 2020 in the states? They always had a market in UK but the US has had a rocky past with R anything. I think this current run has been the longest with 3 model years? of the various R cars.

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[golfer883]

Why would they get rid of a car that they can sell at msrp or even above?

I hope they don’t but they only sell fast because they don’t make hardly any of them. Honda isn’t making money on them.

 

[aldo]

The guys that own Type R’s are “hoping” they don’t make any more so their cars will be more valuable, unique, etc. The Type R engines that they’re cranking out here in Ohio will only get improved upon and incrementally made more powerful, they’ll put them into different civics as well. It’s the nature of things.

 

[aldo]

2020 less expensive Type R

 

[jasonjm]

Honda is expected to shutdown Swindon in April for 6 days.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1070185/brexit-news-honda-fanctory-japan-latest

It is well understood however that this plant will be on the chopping block if a hard Brexit occurs. It won’t be immediate but will happen fairly quickly, exiting the plant will be the end of the FK8.

Honda would rather tool up to the next civic MC rather than re-tool an existing plant for a model that is already leaving. Also the financials don’t state anything about retooling nor have any union contracts brought it up so again very high likelihood the FK8 Type-R will meet its end.

 

[Design]

When brexit happens, that will be the end of the Type-R going forward. Regulations will take awhile before fully taking place, but everyone will be hit with transport and tax costs immediately, and that will include supply chain.

With the Type-R motor only being slightly different than other uses (Accord, RDX), they’ll just dial production back until RDX production increases to match the gap (and that won’t take long).

A bigger S660 aka S1000 (it’s getting bigger) is expected, as well as another variation of the NSX (of which no one buys). The next anticipation will be regarding the new Twin Turbo V6 going into all Acura models. But don’t expect Type-R lightness or corner speeds. It will be more akin to a Q70S when they put it in the TLX. Also don’t expect a manual. There isn’t one for the V6 any longer.

The real question of where they will go 2 generations from now, if the V6 is found to be 2.5L in size there is a good chance an Accord SiR or TLX Type-S could happen.

I believe the Civic will forever be 1.5L or less.

Unless Honda is willing to write off more money like they’re doing with the NSX, the FK8 Type-R truly will be a classic going forward.

Even if unintentionally, but by political policy.

To put simply, all hatches are made in Swindon. And there are over two dozen other manufacturers in that region. This won't be the first time an auto supplier has faced regional economic uncertainty.

Worst case, Honda will shift production to a partially idle facility (or facilities) in another region. And it's been done countless times due to shifts in demand - the Accord and CRV being the most recent examples.

Marysville alone could absorb up to 40% of global hatch production within 3-6 months, pending partial retooling of the floor.

All of this is mute though. Honda has already gone on record indicating it's committed to keeping Swindon "status quo" despite the potential cost increase.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/18/honda-no-deal-brexit-tariffs-swindon

 

[aldo]

Honda is expected to shutdown Swindon in April for 6 days.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1070185/brexit-news-honda-fanctory-japan-latest

It is well understood however that this plant will be on the chopping block if a hard Brexit occurs. It won’t be immediate but will happen fairly quickly, exiting the plant will be the end of the FK8.

Honda would rather tool up to the next civic MC rather than re-tool an existing plant for a model that is already leaving. Also the financials don’t state anything about retooling nor have any union contracts brought it up so again very high likelihood the FK8 Type-R will meet its end.

"It is well understood however that this plant will be on the chopping block if a hard Brexit occurs"

LOL where do people come up with this stuff, this Honda plant has been around since 1985 directly employs close to 4K people and thousand of other local suppliers and will be on the chopping block fairly quickly? Smoking some good shit out there in PA.

 

[jasonjm]

"It is well understood however that this plant will be on the chopping block if a hard Brexit occurs"

LOL where do people come up with this stuff, this Honda plant has been around since 1985 directly employs close to 4K people and thousand of other local suppliers and will be on the chopping block fairly quickly? Smoking some good shit out there in PA.

Only time will tell how good the shit is.

 

[jasonjm]

"It is well understood however that this plant will be on the chopping block if a hard Brexit occurs"

LOL where do people come up with this stuff, this Honda plant has been around since 1985 directly employs close to 4K people and thousand of other local suppliers and will be on the chopping block fairly quickly? Smoking some good shit out there in PA.

We could look at the GM plant closure that happened for an example where capitalism rules.

“4K people...”. This isn’t a charity, and you know it. Honda will exit the plant if brexit is unfavorable. There is no contract for them stay.

Doesn’t matter if they employ 10k or 20k people. 40% exports to the EU alone, means tax on supplies in and cars out. Not smart to stay. I would expect the next 1-7 years they wind down away from Swindon due to Brexit.

Of all companies, Honda has one of the best bean counters.

 

[aldo]

We could look at the GM plant closure that happened for an example where capitalism rules.

“4K people...”. This isn’t a charity, and you know it. Honda will exit the plant if brexit is unfavorable. There is no contract for them stay.

Doesn’t matter if they employ 10k or 20k people. 40% exports to the EU alone, means tax on supplies in and cars out. Not smart to stay. I would expect the next 1-7 years they wind down away from Swindon due to Brexit.

Of all companies, Honda has one of the best bean counters.

Seriously put the drink down.

 

[fiend busa]

Does anyone have an estimate on when the 2020 type r drops? Will it be in 2019 or 2020?

 

[FriscoBrah]

Does anyone have an estimate on when the 2020 type r drops? Will it be in 2019 or 2020?

If it’s like the ‘19 then it will be later this year. I’m curious if the camo models seen late in ‘18 is a more subdued styling that we will see in ‘20.

 

[fiend busa]

If it’s like the ‘19 then it will be later this year. I’m curious if the camo models seen late in ‘18 is a more subdued styling that we will see in ‘20.

Hmm think I'll wait then, don't want to get the 2019 and find out the 2020 design looks better lol

 

[FriscoBrah]

Hmm think I'll wait then, don't want to get the 2019 and find out the 2020 design looks better lol

If your not sold on the styling with the fake vents it looks like they may have updated bumpers and maybe a less aggressive wing coming. It’s been seen testing in camo on the ring.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.motor1.com/news/258399/honda-civic-type-r-spied/amp/

It could always look worse but waiting never hurts if you’re not 100% sold.

 

[turboshawn]

Why would they get rid of a car that they can sell at msrp or even above?

Not being rude but that made no sense... first off if u think Honda makes all there money on a 35k car that is limited production your nuts... Honda makes money on the odesseys pilots accords an regular civics shit like that... I can’t believe you said why would they get rid of a car the can sell for over msrp... that money doesn’t go back to Honda the dealer makes that lmao . Honda doesn’t give 2 shits about what dealers sell them for. I know the Subaru dealer by my house does they had an RA for sticker an said it wouldnt get sold for over that

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