What I was told as well, aside from a possible 2nd "base" trim.No change to 2019 type R
I stopped reading at no brembo. HahaIf there is really a base version, these are the following changes they will make. Mark my words! haha
-headlights: halogen and projectors
-no navi and cheaper infotainment with a small screen
-cheaper seats
-smaller and cheaper wheels
-no brembos
-rear wiper delete (this is assuming that regulations do not require rear wiper on this car)
-ground effects / wing. People may disagree but if you think about it, 18 inch stock wheels with our aero bits will look really bad. Aftermarket 18s yes, oem 18s, no.
Fine. then the new touring will haveim sad to inform you I am almost positive that this is the base car what you have in the US and any new trims will only probably be more and have more features. That is my guess in all of this.
one can only hope, but do keep in mind the R has usually been a stripped down race bred car. We have to see what Honda actually does, at this point its speculation and wishes and wants.Fine. then the new touring will have
heated front seats maybe leather and power?
honda sensing
lane watch
sunroof
I see lots of nav screen speculation to save money. And dual zone climate. Dual zone is basically software and a flapper in the air box. Basically 5 bucks worth of parts. And anyone who had an Si without nav. If you went into the service menu the unit had active gps and all the parts it just wasnt turned on. Again no savings there as im sure they would do same for the R. Just turn it off. Yall are talking retail costs and not manufacturer costs. These things you all are saying would save money cost the manufacturer pennies. They make then all the same as for the head unit. Just different software is all. Just look at the U.S. CTR. No lane watch right... wrong. Its there active in the head unit just no camera. 1996 ford mustang i had hard top. Had the wiring harness and fuses for the convertible top in it. I asked ford, cheaper to make one fuse box for all products and just use what you need. Im sure is same for honda nav unit. All same just different software depending. So I see zero cost reduction for nav delete. The car is just about basic as is. As for wheels... 20, 19 ,18... who cares. From a manufacturing stand point its about half a pound of aluminum. They all made same way on same machines. Cost im sure is not much different to manufacture them. Gotta stop thinking retail prices and think honda cost to mamufacture. And honestly i dont see where they can cut anymore fat. Speakers maybe, and it still be an R.
Less tech? Other then the nav unit what tech is there? Take out the nav unit the cars got no tech at all. Its stripped all ready.one can only hope, but do keep in mind the R has usually been a stripped down race bred car. We have to see what Honda actually does, at this point its speculation and wishes and wants.
Personally I prefer less tech in the R, but I see why other would want more of the safety and day to day conveniences.
take out the brake hold, traction control system, drive modes, e ebrake, rev match, the hvac system is not analog, digital dash. I am sorry but those are all tech items.Less tech? Other then the nav unit what tech is there? Take out the nav unit the cars got no tech at all. Its stripped all ready.
I hear ya but i dont consider things that are something thats been on every in the last 30 years tech. Except drive modes. Everything you listed is fairly standard systems just updated to buttons to save weight and cost. Analog gages or digital same thing same fuction not really tech as nither do anything different from each other just form factor is different. Hvac... really ?same thing as any other car just push button instead of knob controls..everything else same tech as 40 years ago..condenser..vents... pipes... heater core. I mean if you consider any advance on normal car systems tech then really the whole car is tech down to the welding adheasives.take out the brake hold, traction control system, drive modes, e ebrake, rev match, the hvac system is not analog, digital dash. I am sorry but those are all tech items.