10th Gen Civic 1/4 Mile Times

[Myx]

Ah thanks again. That video link has led me to other links. Love seeing what's possible.

Dallashawk, I am just doing my homework before getting one myself. I honestly think I can get the CVT to take off, off the line pretty good. Just seeing what everyone else is doing out there. Very interesting!

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[dallasjhawk]

Ah thanks again. That video link has led me to other links. Love seeing what's possible.

Dallashawk, I am just doing my homework before getting one myself. I honestly think I can get the CVT to take off, off the line pretty good. Just seeing what everyone else is doing out there. Very interesting!

Just curious how you plan to get it to take off. You can't power break it without risking breaking the cvt and you cant load up on torque down low either. Don't get me wrong, I hope someone can get a cvt under 2.5 60ft im just not sure how outside of willingly breaking the tranny

 

[NeoDragons]

Where are the CVT 1/4 mile times? I have been looking to see some of these posted up vs the manuals. Not seeing much of that.

My two latest runs have been 15.1@92mph (with downpipe) & 15.2@94mph (w/o downpipe)

• (Sorry no pics of time slip since our printer is down. i have vids of some runs, will post later when i am off work)
• 2016 Civic EXT
• CVT
• Hondata +6tune & PRL Downpipe
• Power Numbers (If Known)
• Guam International Raceway

one of my runs. 15.2 @94mph.

 

[Myx]

My two latest runs have been 15.1@92mph (with downpipe) & 15.2@94mph (w/o downpipe)

• (Sorry no pics of time slip since our printer is down. i have vids of some runs, will post later when i am off work)
• 2016 Civic EXT
• CVT
• Hondata +6tune & PRL Downpipe
• Power Numbers (If Known)
• Guam International Raceway

Thank for this information.

 

[Myx]

Just curious how you plan to get it to take off. You can't power break it without risking breaking the cvt and you cant load up on torque down low either. Don't get me wrong, I hope someone can get a cvt under 2.5 60ft im just not sure how outside of willingly breaking the tranny

Keep in mind I haven't driven this vehicle.

1) Don't power break it but give it very light throttle at the starting line. 'Very light'!
2) Make sure your transmission gear is in it's lowest gear. Keep it in this 'gear' for the whole run. Only take it out when the run is completed.
3) **This is tricky** When you take off, you have to push the throttle on and off 3-4x, lightly. I called this the 'Myxal Two-Step' on the Fit Forums.

If this operates anything like my Fit, this will get the rpm to it's power peak as quickly as possible.


One other very important things about this as well. I will be purchasing a set of the lightweight 15" Enkei's (14.4lbs) with a tire that has an outside diameter slightly smaller than the stock diameter. I don't recommend this but this is what I'll be doing.

All these things should maximize acceleration and get it to it's power peak as quickly as possible. Then have the car hang at it's power peak the full run, no shifting and losing power only to rise to the power peak again. I honestly think this will work in your application. You guys actually just have a turbocharged version of my Fit. I honestly believe it would work and work well. Just sharing!

 

[dallasjhawk]

Keep in mind I haven't driven this vehicle.

1) Don't power break it but give it very light throttle at the starting line. 'Very light'!
2) Make sure your transmission gear is in it's lowest gear. Keep it in this 'gear' for the whole run. Only take it out when the run is completed.
3) **This is tricky** When you take off, you have to push the throttle on and off 3-4x, lightly. I called this the 'Myxal Two-Step' on the Fit Forums.

If this operates anything like my Fit, this will get the rpm to it's power peak as quickly as possible.


One other very important things about this as well. I will be purchasing a set of the lightweight 15" Enkei's (14.4lbs) with a tire that has an outside diameter slightly smaller than the stock diameter. I don't recommend this but this is what I'll be doing.

All these these should maximize acceleration and get it to it's power peak as quickly as possible. Then have the car hang at it's power peak the full run, no shifting and losing power only to rise to the power peak again. I honestly think this will work in your application. You guys actually just have a turbocharged version of my Fit. I honestly believe it would work and work well. Just sharing!

and none of this is going to get the CVT even close to a 2 second 60ft time. It is very obvious when you drive this car that rolling into the throttle from a dead stop is quicker than full on hammer down. I dont feel like L is the proper gear for this cvt, S seems to launch to better as well.

 

[Myx]

and none of this is going to get the CVT even close to a 2 second 60ft time. It is very obvious when you drive this car that rolling into the throttle from a dead stop is quicker than full on hammer down. I dont feel like L is the proper gear for this cvt, S seems to launch to better as well.

It's more than just getting it down to 2.0 60ft. No need for that. One of my goals is to reduce the 60ft time. Here is my goal!
1) Reduce 60ft time,
2) Increase acceleration as fast as possible to peak rpm without breaking the tires loose,
3) Keep the rpm at peak power (None of that fake shifting nonsense).

These will be achieved. I know because I've done it in my Fit. Will be fun to do in on this platform. All I heard were crickets when my CVT with only intake and exhaust was quicker than most boosted manual trannied Honda Fits. Understand the CVT and work with it's strong points. It is awesome in it's own right. No argument here. I've already ordered a few pieces for the Civic to achieve these goals. Can't wait until next month to get started.

I mean, I raced Mustangs that were WAY faster than my lowly Fit with but I was able to take some of them off the line. A CVT's low and midrange can be made awesome because of how it utilizes the power under the curve. It stays at the top of the 'curve' once it reaches it. No rpms going up and down. This is a dream transmission for me for power. More is always better but for utuilizing what power it has, it is pretty damn awesome. Most won't understand this and that's ok.

 

[maddmatt02]

It's more than just getting it down to 2.0 60ft. No need for that.

60' time is one of the most important part of getting a lower ET. Obviously power is a factor but if you have 2 cars with the same setup but one driver blows the launch and has a shitty 60' the other driver is going to smoke him assuming he doesn't miss a gear or anything. Now of course the CVT can stay near peak power once it makes it there, but these aren't NA civics anymore, shifting doesn't really drop us out of our power anymore and we have no lift shifting so we don't really have to wait for it to spool after shifting either.

One of my goals is to reduce the 60ft time. Here is my goal!
1) Reduce 60ft time,
2) Increase acceleration as fast as possible to peak rpm without breaking the tires loose,
3) Keep the rpm at peak power (None of that fake shifting nonsense).

Obviously #1 will work towards the goal of reducing the 60' time.
#2 is basically what it takes to do so...
#3... I own a 6MT but in my old 9th gen accord CVT I am pretty sure I was past the 60' time before the revs even climbed into the powerband (it was NA though so all power way up top)

These will be achieved. I know because I've done it in my Fit. Will be fun to do in on this platform. All I heard were crickets when my CVT with only intake and exhaust was quicker than most boosted manual trannied Honda Fits. Understand the CVT and work with it's strong points. It is awesome in it's own right. No argument here. I've already ordered a few pieces for the Civic to achieve these goals. Can't wait until next month to get started.

I mean, I raced Mustangs that were WAY faster than my lowly Fit with but I was able to take some of them off the line. A CVT's low and midrange can be made awesome because of how it utilizes the power under the curve. It stays at the top of the 'curve' once it reaches it. No rpms going up and down. This is a dream transmission for me for power. More is always better but for utuilizing what power it has, it is pretty damn awesome. Most won't understand this and that's ok.

How is the CVT awesome in the way it uses power "under the curve"? I am genuinely curious about your reasoning here, I cannot see how it could be any better than say first gear of a manual trans, as I am at peak tq by about 13mph.

 

[Myx]

How is the CVT awesome in the way it uses power "under the curve"? I am genuinely curious about your reasoning here, I cannot see how it could be any better than say first gear of a manual trans, as I am at peak tq by about 13mph.

Perhaps you are right! Carry on!

 

[kshawn]

You're going to hit the limit pretty quick in the CVT. granted the CVT doesn't loose boost but the manual can handle more power and that'll beat the CVT.

 

[Myx]

You're going to hit the limit pretty quick in the CVT. granted the CVT doesn't loose boost but the manual can handle more power and that'll beat the CVT.

Still looking for more people with different stages of tune on a CVT and their 1/4 mile numbers.

 

[kshawn]

Still looking for more people with different stages of toon on a CVT and their 1/4 mile numbers.

Are you talking about maximizing the engine tune in selected areas, to work better with the CVT? or changing the CVT "shift" behavior? as of now no one has unlocked the ability to reprogram the CVT, unfortunately

 

[Myx]

Are you talking about maximizing the engine tune in selected areas, to work better with the CVT? or changing the CVT "shift" behavior? as of now no one has unlocked the ability to reprogram the CVT, unfortunately

^^^That! But that only being a part of what I'm talking about. Once I get the Civic and post some 1/4 mile times, it'll hopefully make sense if I'm successful. Got to get the car first. Not one to just talk about it. For now though, manual FTW.

 

[Myx]

60' time is one of the most important part of getting a lower ET. Obviously power is a factor but if you have 2 cars with the same setup but one driver blows the launch and has a shitty 60' the other driver is going to smoke him assuming he doesn't miss a gear or anything. Now of course the CVT can stay near peak power once it makes it there, but these aren't NA civics anymore, shifting doesn't really drop us out of our power anymore and we have no lift shifting so we don't really have to wait for it to spool after shifting either.

I didn't realize that shifting doesn't drop the manual out of it's power anymore. When the manual Civic is shifted, where does the rpm needle land in the powerband? Guess I'll have to look at a few videos and dyno graphs now.

Edit:







So it's safe to say that shifting takes the manual down to about 4500rpm. So you say 4500rpm is right in its powerband. Thanks for pointing this out.

 

[D-RobIMW]

I need to learn how to get this car moving on the 60 like PRL.

14.2 @ 101.8mph

2017 Civic Si sedan
PRL "Stage 1" intake
KTuner (my mapping)
Stock all seasons @ 34psi
93 octane

236hp / 280tq on my dyno

Cecil County Dragway, Rising Sun, MD

The car needs a clutch, evidently too. Noticed some pretty major slip on the drive home.

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