0w16 oil...C'mon!

[joecin]

I hate these thin oils like 0w20 and now 0w16.
I prefer a 0w30 or 5w30.
Especially with my SC climate but because of warranty, I stay with the thin crap.


https://www.amsoil.com/newsstand/motor-oil/articles/oe-0w-16-light-and-strong/?zo=5162093

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A 0W-16 viscosity motor oil may seem exotic to North American drivers, but as fuel efficiency requirements increase, it may become a common recommendation of manufacturers worldwide. Japanese engineers have long experimented with ultra-thin motor oils, and 0W-16 has been in regular use in Japan since the 90s.

The Benefits of Going Thin

Lower viscosity motor oil can increase fuel economy, and the pressure to create engines that sip less fuel has hastened the introduction of these viscosities to North America. The stated fuel mileage estimates for several 2018 vehicles were calculated with 0W-16 motor oil installed. Beyond fuel economy, lower viscosity oil can also provide excellent cold-starts in the most frigid temperatures.

OE 0W-16 Synthetic Motor Oil

The primary concern with low viscosity oil is wear protection. Like the rest of the OE line, OE 0W-16 develops a strong fluid film that keeps metal components separated and protected. Our work didn’t end with simply blending a new viscosity. OE 0W-16 Synthetic Motor Oil (OES) is formulated with unique anti-wear additives that protect critical engine parts like pistons and cams. This added protection is particularly important in the extreme environments produced by today’s smaller-displacement engines that run on lower viscosity oil.

Provides advanced wear protection
Improves fuel economy & maintains low emissions
Protects pistons from low-speed pre-ignition
Keeps engines clean
Protects in all temperatures
Meets the requirements of popular new vehicles like the 2018 Toyota* Camry* and the 2018 Honda* Fit*
Recommended for use in applications that require the API SN PLUS (Resource Conserving) specification. Use only where 0W-16 is specified. Do not substitute for 0W-20 or other viscosity.


Why No API Starburst?
The International Lubricants Standardization and Approval Committee (ILSAC) has not recognized the 0W-16 viscosity for the current GF-5 oil category, which is required to display the startburst. It will likely be included in the new GF-6 category expected in 2019 or 2020. As the API “donut” indicates on the back label, OE 0W-16 is licensed for API SN Plus (Resource Conserving).

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[ajsti24]

Wow, more thinner oil!

 

[Dicecube]

Fat shaming, they want you to be thin

 

[HatchorNada]

My engine and I are smiling with the 0w-20 in us. I like thin in me!!!! I use Idemitsu 0w-20 which has been back specd to meet Dexos 1. Keep in mind, this formulation came out in the early years of SN so circa 2000-ish? Incredible 0w-20 oil to meet Dexos 1 which came out, what, yesterday?

 

[andromeda]

Anyone who deliberately deviates from the oil recommended by the engine designer and manufacturer is just plain nuts. What do you think you know that Honda doesn't ?!

 

[Fk8 4343]

Anyone who deliberately deviates from the oil recommended by the engine designer and manufacturer is just plain nuts. What do you think you know that Honda doesn't ?!

Honda sells 0W-16 Ultimate Full Synthetic Motor Oil. The requirement for oW-20 oil is based on emissions and fuel economy.

The UK/Ireland Civic owners manual says heavier oil can be used outside of Europe (not referring to US) where the fuel/emission regulations aren't as strict. 0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-30, and 10W-30 are ok as long as it is API certified.

 

[joecin]

Honda sells 0W-16 Ultimate Full Synthetic Motor Oil. The requirement for oW-20 oil is based on emissions and fuel economy.

The UK/Ireland Civic owners manual says heavier oil can be used outside of Europe (not referring to US) where the fuel/emission regulations aren't as strict. 0W-20, 0W-30, 5W-30, and 10W-30 are ok as long as it is API certified.

Yep!

The proof is in your post.
0w20 is for better MPGs for the rising CAFE requirements.

 

[Deleted member]

Anyone who deliberately deviates from the oil recommended by the engine designer and manufacturer is just plain nuts. What do you think you know that Honda doesn't ?!

It's not that Honda is unaware of better oils.

It's not a formula 1 car where everything needs to be cutting edge, it's an economy car. Honda, like every other manufacturer, is in the business of making money- they use the cheapest possible solutions that will do the bare minimum job required with that minimum job required being defined as whatever they determine the car should be able to do, how long it should last, how much it should cost. By no means do they use the oil with the best available protection properties because it would be overkill and cost them more money(along with impacting fuel economy). Doesn't mean the end user can't opt in on their dime. It's the same reason why you can find a higher performing, higher quality aftermarket version of pretty much every part on the car.

 

[#04338]

I thought 0w20 is already water thin, now 0w16? that's crazy!

I rather stick to my 5w30 for better protection in TX heat.

 

[andromeda]

There seems to be a misguided belief that Honda deliberately recommends oil that's not in the best interest of their engines, and that those with this assessment, somehow know better than Honda engineers. Some cite other recommendations in other parts of the world. But foreign climates and usage differ, as might some key components of the engines. If you're fool enough to deviate from the recommendation, then shouldn't you have some definitive info from the engine designer and manufacturer ?!

 

[joecin]

There seems to be a misguided belief that Honda deliberately recommends oil that's not in the best interest of their engines, and that those with this assessment, somehow know better than Honda engineers. Some cite other recommendations in other parts of the world. But foreign climates and usage differ, as might some key components of the engines. If you're fool enough to deviate from the recommendation, then shouldn't you have some definitive info from the engine designer and manufacturer ?!

Honda (and other auto manufacturers) engineers want to squeeze every tenth of a mile gain on their engine to keep up with the CAFE. So the thinner oil is in the best interest of extra mileage per fleet average.
The same engines in other countries use heavier oil weights. Countries with the same climate as the US too..

 

[andromeda]

Honda (and other auto manufacturers) engineers want to squeeze every tenth of a mile gain on their engine to keep up with the CAFE. So the thinner oil is in the best interest of extra mileage per fleet average.
The same engines in other countries use heavier oil weights. Countries with the same climate as the US too..

And just how do you know that they're the exact same engines ? Have you inquired of Honda and gotten a firm answer ? What if they fine tune engines by oil pump, bearing clearances, or other, for specific markets ? It's possible. They wouldn't produce the same identical engine for use in the arctic as for the Amazon. Sure CAFE is a factor but maybe not the whole story.

 

[Deleted member]

And just how do you know that they're the exact same engines ? Have you inquired of Honda and gotten a firm answer ? What if they fine tune engines by oil pump, bearing clearances, or other, for specific markets ? It's possible. They wouldn't produce the same identical engine for use in the arctic as for the Amazon. Sure CAFE is a factor but maybe not the whole story.

Do you think the Civic already comes with the best possible tires on the market or the best possible clutch just because Honda used those parts? This is the logic you are using to say the stock oil is the only oil anyone should use.

There's nothing wrong with the Honda recommended oil and it will do the job it is meant to do- but it's not the best oil available.

 

[joecin]

And just how do you know that they're the exact same engines ? Have you inquired of Honda and gotten a firm answer ? What if they fine tune engines by oil pump, bearing clearances, or other, for specific markets ? It's possible. They wouldn't produce the same identical engine for use in the arctic as for the Amazon. Sure CAFE is a factor but maybe not the whole story.

The Arctic?The same engine most likely with an engine heater. It gets very frigid in Canada too.

Bottom line is using a 0w30 or 5w30 isn't going cause the engine to blow up. I think the heavier oil in a hot climate like my SC area is better for the engine.
People are going with higher weights here and on the bobistheoilguy.com forum.

 

[Gruber]

The 0W16 oil is old news. It is actually a pretty thick oil which uses way too much fuel to make it flow. Wait for 0W8.

"The 0W- 16 project is just the beginning of what JXTG Nippon Oil is striving to do to offset carbon footprints. Actually, we are currently working on an 0W-8 oil." [...] "The 0W-8 oil we have developed is already available in the Japanese market." - said Hiroya Miyamoto, senior manager at JXTG Nippon Oil & Energy.

https://noln.net/2017/06/30/skinny-ow-16-oil/

Make no mistake about it: the only reason why you are told to use 0W20 and not 0W40 is carbon footprint. The whole "small clearances" thing is misunderstood. Engines are engineered with "small clearances" to be able to retain better the thin oil on working surfaces and maintain higher oil pressure. Not the other way around, as in "it needs thin oil because it has small clearances."

Thin oils are developed first, to save energy. Then car engines are adapted to be able to use them.

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