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I also hope it is manual only!!
It might have made sense to keep the Si manual only in the past when it was the range topping performance model (for reputation, image, etc.) but there's the Type R coming now and it'll be manual only so Honda doesn't have to worry about the Si carrying the performance torch anymore and can add an auto type transmission to make it appeal and available to a bigger audience.
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It might have made sense to keep the Si manual only in the past when it was the range topping performance model (for reputation, image, etc.) but there's the Type R coming now and it'll be manual only so Honda doesn't have to worry about the Si carrying the performance torch anymore and can add an auto type transmission to make it appeal and available to a bigger audience.
I think they will. Million dollar question is if it's a a CVT, DCT, or slush box auto!
 

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It would be rather unlikely for the Si to receive a DCT while the Type R is 6MT only. DCTs are better for performance than a 6MT. Hell even many of the automatic transmissions now days perform better than a manual transmission. Drive an M235i with the 8AT and you will be amazed. Drives wonderfully. One thing to keep in mind is the new 9AT that Honda is using in their touring and above Pilots along with V6 Acura models. Still highly unlikely that we will see that transmission in the Si.

If anything is going to have a DCT to satisfy the lazy statistic driven drivers of America, it will be the Type R.
 

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It would be rather unlikely for the Si to receive a DCT while the Type R is 6MT only. DCTs are better for performance than a 6MT. Hell even many of the automatic transmissions now days perform better than a manual transmission. Drive an M235i with the 8AT and you will be amazed. Drives wonderfully. One thing to keep in mind is the new 9AT that Honda is using in their touring and above Pilots along with V6 Acura models. Still highly unlikely that we will see that transmission in the Si.

If anything is going to have a DCT to satisfy the lazy statistic driven drivers of America, it will be the Type R.
DCT used to be for leading performance cars only but they've become technology you see even in 'regular' cars. Honda itself uses it in the ILX and TLX sedans. So I can totally see a scenario where they offer an optional DCT in the Si (while also offering manual) but keep the Type R manual only. If the Si gets the DCT it doesn't signal it's somehow more hardcore than the Type R because the Type R won't even offer an auto. The Type R will actually be seen as more hardcore because it's manual only.
 

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DCT used to be for leading performance cars only but they've become technology you see even in 'regular' cars. Honda itself uses it in the ILX and TLX sedans. So I can totally see a scenario where they offer an optional DCT in the Si (while also offering manual) but keep the Type R manual only. If the Si gets the DCT it doesn't signal it's somehow more hardcore than the Type R because the Type R won't even offer an auto. The Type R will actually be seen as more hardcore because it's manual only.
Yes they are available in connection with the K24 used on the ILX and TLX, (and very good they are from a daily driven standpoint) but I would be hard pressed to find a DCT available in conjunction with a manual on the Si if they Type R is manual only. DCTs are not widely available; many manufacturers not even having one vehicle in their lineup equipped with a DCT. Along with this, there are automatics available on the market that feel more performance driven than the DCT found in the ILX/TLX.

One more thing to consider is that Acura is struggling to differentiate itself from Honda. Why should someone purchase a 2.4L TLX for the price that can put them into a 2016 Accord Touring which is standard with a V6 and a far more technology? Did the ILX not have an image problem upon its release due to most viewing it as a civic with nicer features but inflated price?

To me it makes NO sense as to why Honda did not equip their 2016 Accords with their available 9AT found in V6 Acura models and the 2016 Pilot Touring/Elite models. The 6AT used in these accords is lacking to a great degree. A 10thgen Civic Si boasting 200+ HP, better technology, and a DCT for a price BELOW that of the ILX is straight cannibalism. As things currently stand, I would call it ludicrous for Honda to do such a thing unless the ILX project is scrapped.
 


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I think they will. Million dollar question is if it's a a CVT, DCT, or slush box auto!
*And if they do, you have to seriously consider just getting an ILX. I'm going to have to guess an Si with DCT is going to be much closer in price to a Civic Touring than a Civic LX.

Back when HondaProJason was saying we're getting a TypeR (and Honda was still busy denying it), I started the process of picking out a TLX just in case the Type R rumors turned out to be false. I like the Accord but for a bit more you got that pretty-nice 9AT and all that goes with the Acura. the TLX was definitely a nicer car than the Accord. Definitely better to drive due to that great transmission-this coming from a guy who swore to never buy an automatic transmission-ed car.

I'm trying to look at it from Honda's perspective. An Auto Si would probably compete with ILX and maybe even TLX sales at a lower price point. Honda historically doesn't like to compete with itself (see 99 Civic Si, 99 Prelude SH, 99 Integra GSR - Prelude was killed because it stole Acura sales...).
 
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*And if they do, you have to seriously consider just getting an ILX. I'm going to have to guess an Si with DCT is going to be much closer in price to a Civic Touring than a Civic LX.
But the 2016 Si should give you more performance than an ILX. The Si will have more power than ILX (201hp) and be faster than ILX (6.8 sec 0-60).
 

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There really is no reason to get the ILX when the 2016 civic touring has everything the ILX has, and is about the same performance wise, even with the cvt.
 

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But the 2016 Si should give you more performance than an ILX. The Si will have more power than ILX (201hp) and be faster than ILX (6.8 sec 0-60).
Part of me thinks so... on the other hand, if you're paying Acura money for a car, you should get more performance than Honda money. Unless, of course, they consider static items like quality of upholstery and stuff like that. Even so, the Civic Touring is a bargain.
I guess maybe what I'm saying/thinking is Acura actually needs to step their game up because the '16 Civic and '16 Accord are both definitely better bargains, and may also be better cars overall. Maybe that's just the perspective of a performance-motivated individual of course...
 

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One thing to consider which might increase the chances that the Civic Type R gets an optional DCT is the fact that the car will be sold in North America and it'll be the biggest market for the CTR. North Americans are not as big on manual transmission as the rest of the world. The take rates of cars here offered in both DCT and manual is heavily in favor of DCT. The new M3 and M4 for example has a tiny manual take rate compared to the DCT model.

So if Honda is looking to maximize sales and appeal of the next CTR in N.A., offering it in optional DCT would be one way to do it.
 


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There's a reason people don't have mullet haircuts anymore, it's obsolete, just like a manual. If the 2017 Civic Type R is serious about speed, it needs a DCT option.

Out of the 20 cars i've owned, 17 of them were manual so i would consider myself a purist. BUT two of the exceptions were my BMW M3's with the M-DCT. Now, if there's ever a DCT option, i will always choose DCT. That's how good it is. But the caveat here is not all DCT's are the same. A BMW M3 DCT is significantly greater than a Ford Fiesta DCT. It would shift on demand with absolutely no hesitation as if it was almost wired to my brain. It'll even downshift to 8,600 RPM, straight to fuel cutoff, if i wanted to while decelerating hard. So hopefully the Honda DCT is BMW M-DCT or Porsche PDK good and not Ford Powershift DCT lousy.
 
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I'm kind of torn between wanting a DCT and wanting a manual box. On one hand I'd LOVE to see the new CTR shatter it's old 'Ring record, further distancing itself from any other FWD competitor (and at that point one could argue that there are none). Yet on the other hand I totally concur with the arguments presented thus far in this thread for preserving a key part of the recipe that has made the Type-R great throughout its lineage. So I guess I'd be satisfied with either transmission.
 

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I'll also add, in line with the earlier comment, that the DCT is unlikely to be found in Honda's economy trims. At least not yet.

The upcoming redesigned ILX will likely borrow a version of the Civic's powerplant mated with a DCT.
 

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For those of you who wonder why Honda opts for MT over DCT. Good read about the comparison here:
http://editorial.autoweb.com/autoweb-transmission-showdown-stick-shift-vs-automatic/
My response to the Autoweb quote is "MT may be initially more fun than a DCT, but DCT will always be more fun when you're spanking the car equipped with MT"

Quicker launch, quicker shifting, and better fuel economy to boot.

LED headlights were also unlikely to found on a Honda too but they're now on the Civic and Accord Touring
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