Report: 2018 Civic Type R Concept Debuting in October (Paris)
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everyone sees the spy shots and has a pretty good idea of how it will look... the renders made here are way better at showing this... i'd say the front fascia near the fog lights are a bit wrong based on the spy shots... specifically the separate holes next to the fog lights... it sorta resembles the current Golf R to me (which i love)...
also nobody here has mentioned the fact that those spy shots seem to have Honda Sensing... the radar and front camera are clearly visible... seeing as those things won't work particularly well with a manual transmission leads me to thinking some kind of DCT is in the works... personally i'd love a 6MT but i'm also not gonna be mad if its a DCT with launch control... here's hoping...
everyone sees the spy shots and has a pretty good idea of how it will look... the renders made here are way better at showing this... i'd say the front fascia near the fog lights are a bit wrong based on the spy shots... specifically the separate holes next to the fog lights... it sorta resembles the current Golf R to me (which i love)...
also nobody here has mentioned the fact that those spy shots seem to have Honda Sensing... the radar and front camera are clearly visible... seeing as those things won't work particularly well with a manual transmission leads me to thinking some kind of DCT is in the works... personally i'd love a 6MT but i'm also not gonna be mad if its a DCT with launch control... here's hoping...
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The ACC will work well on the highway - just like current cruise control on an MT.This article is
everyone sees the spy shots and has a pretty good idea of how it will look... the renders made here are way better at showing this... i'd say the front fascia near the fog lights are a bit wrong based on the spy shots... specifically the separate holes next to the fog lights... it sorta resembles the current Golf R to me (which i love)...
also nobody here has mentioned the fact that those spy shots seem to have Honda Sensing... the radar and front camera are clearly visible... seeing as those things won't work particularly well with a manual transmission leads me to thinking some kind of DCT is in the works... personally i'd love a 6MT but i'm also not gonna be mad if its a DCT with launch control... here's hoping...
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but the current Civic doesn't have an option for Honda Sensing and a manual transmission...
also, the radar is used for ACC and CMBS... the camera on the front windshield is used for LKAS mostly... this indicates to me that the Type-R will have Honda Sensing as an option... CMBS and ACC won't properly work with a manual transmission since both adjust vehicle speed basically lowering the gear to slow down/stop using CMBS and/or accelerate when matching the speed via ACC...
so no, current cruise control works nothing like ACC or CMBS...
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http://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the...y_brake-accident-avoidance-system/2000009243/ This is the CTBA which is very similar to the ACC with Low speed follow... at least under 19mph.
They only list standard cruise control but it does have FCW. Don't think it's active like ACC.
This is from the product brochure of the 9th gen civic based CTR which is all we have to compare to at this point.
http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/new/civic-type-r-2015/compare.html
Interesting to see cool stuff like Hill Hold since we're probably getting electronic park brake. Not sure if I'm a big fan of the engine idle stop... :/
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I'm sorry, but that's total, complete nonsense. Why in the world would Honda spend months developing all the suspension, aero and cooling, and organize all of the runs at the nurburgring making it faster, if at the end of the day, they're just going to "tone it down"?? And a type R with no spoiler? Makes as much sense as a WRX STI without one. The Si, maybe, makes more sense being "toned down" because it's a less powerful, less aggressive version of the Type R. But after months of anticipation, I refuse to believe that it has all come down... to that.^^ Plus it's way too long to be based off the current hatchback, which is currently the shortest of the civic lineup.http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/civic/96563/new-2017-honda-civic-type-r-is-taking-shape
New 2017 Honda Civic Type R is taking shape
Honda will be looking to hog the limelight at October’s Paris Motor Show as it rolls out an all-new, more powerful and even faster version of its legendary Civic Type R, Auto Express can exclusively reveal.
Even though the current model – limited to 2,500 models in the UK – only launched last year, the manufacturer will preview the next Type R with a concept in France, and the production version will then make its way into showrooms next September. The concept will make its debut on the show stand alongside the standard version of the all-new 10th-generation hatch.
One of the key areas the new Type R will address is the styling, as illustrated by our exclusive images (renderings). Honda will attempt to broaden the appeal of the hot hatch with a more subtle design instead of the current model’s divisive, extreme look. The most obvious change will be the deletion of the rear wing, while a softer front bumper and back diffuser will also come in.
Prototypes have been spied undergoing performance testing at the Nurburgring race track in Germany with a rear wing fitted, but Auto Express understands that this won’t appear on the concept or production model. Instead, a more subtle spoiler will be preferred – although an aero package could be made available as an option.
Trademark Civic Type R design cues such as the red bumper detailing, flared wheelarches and oversized air intakes will remain, but the styling will be far more restrained in comparison with the current model.
Engineers will also turn their attention to the powertrain. Auto Express understands the concept car will be powered by a tuned version of the current 2.0-litre four-cylinder turbo, which will then go on to feature in the production model.
Current performance figures of 306bhp and 400Nm of torque are expected to increase to around 340bhp and 450Nm. The official 0-62mph time could drop to around five seconds – seven-tenths of a second quicker than today’s model.
Despite the huge reserves of power, it’s also believed Honda will stick with front-wheel drive and a six-speed manual gearbox. This means the new Type R should move clear of the limited-run, two-seater Volkswagen Golf GTI Clubsport S to become the world’s most powerful front-drive hot hatch – although it’s not known if Honda will try to reclaim the front-wheel-drive Nurburgring lap record from its rival. The lack of aero on the upcoming model also means the current Type R’s 168mph top speed could rise.
Updates inside will focus on quality, with a slicker and better-integrated infotainment display replacing the current aftermarket-style system.
The more traditional bodyshape will also mean a boost in practicality for the Civic. The new Type R will be around 30mm wider, 20mm lower and 130mm longer than at present. It will be built at the Honda facility in Swindon, Wiltshire, alongside the standard hatchback, with production starting late next year.
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these are all just my guesses and at least here in the US, Honda Sensing is NOT available on the Civic or Accord when equipped with a 6MT... I'm not familiar with what is offered in the UK on the current Type-R but they don't seem to be exactly Honda Sensing...
http://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the...y_brake-accident-avoidance-system/2000009243/ This is the CTBA which is very similar to the ACC with Low speed follow... at least under 19mph.
They only list standard cruise control but it does have FCW. Don't think it's active like ACC.
This is from the product brochure of the 9th gen civic based CTR which is all we have to compare to at this point.
http://www.honda.co.uk/cars/new/civic-type-r-2015/compare.html
Interesting to see cool stuff like Hill Hold since we're probably getting electronic park brake. Not sure if I'm a big fan of the engine idle stop... :/
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for those unaware, Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC), is basically using the radar to sense how far ahead the vehicle in front of you is and it holds a set distance based on how far in front of you that vehicle is and the rate at which it is traveling... so basically if a car is doing 50mph and you have cruise set to 65mph, your car will slow down and keep a distance doing 50mph behind that car... once that car is out of the way, your car will speed back up to 65mph that you have set... this feature may not work properly on a MT equipped vehicle since the speed dropping below the range of the given gear would cause it to bog down or add extra load on the engine when trying to accelerate or hold a lower speed... i'm sure Honda has thought of this and found a way around it if they managed to pull it off...
Lane Keep Assisted Steering (LKAS) uses the camera mounted on the windshield near the rearview mirror to spot the lines in the road and keep you in the centre of the lane when cruising above 45mph...
Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS) uses the radar and camera to spot a car braking in front of you and will apply the brakes when necessary...
I guess after breaking all of those things down, the Type-R could come with LKAS and CMBS of some sort... or at the very least, Lane Departure Warning (LDW) or Forward Collision Warning (FCW)... both of those features are passive and don't actively control the vehicle...
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I don't think Honda will delete the wing. As I said in another thread, it's highly functional at track speeds. Every prototype we've seen in testing has sported the wing and triple exhaust.
I think the rendering from AutoExpress will more closely resemble the 201 HP 1.5T hatch in Europe.
I think the rendering from AutoExpress will more closely resemble the 201 HP 1.5T hatch in Europe.
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Also, it's possible Honda will retain the traditional e-brake for the CTR. Honda is well aware with this being a track focused car, drivers prefer it. And most cars in this segment retain them, sans the Golf R. Yet the GTI still has a traditional e-brake on the 6MT.
Going to be an interesting few months...
Going to be an interesting few months...
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Well, the first that isn't over $150K anyway
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So after going to work and looking at the current civic front fascia a bit where the grill is at, my initial assumption about it being a radar was likely wrong... i knew the civic has the radar on the drivers side but i figured Honda would move it over because of some kind of design change... but after looking at the passenger side closely, i noticed it seems to be a functional vent of some sort... you can see the horn directly behind it and i'm sure there's a cooling reason its there too...
TL;DR
no radar for Honda Sensing...
this still doesn't omit the camera mounted on the windshield though and what that could be used for... we'll have to wait and see...
TL;DR
no radar for Honda Sensing...
this still doesn't omit the camera mounted on the windshield though and what that could be used for... we'll have to wait and see...
doubtful on the e-brake... the current Civic console won't really allow for that kind of change really... and quite honestly, you can pull the electronic brake button and it will act exactly like a normal e-brake... it will only lock in place while under like 8mph... so in theory, you could still use it but as a button instead of a handle...
