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If it gets the detuned type R motor, wouldn't that be better as the motor has been out in Europe for a year already.
It hasn't been that long. First drive reviews were in June of this year, with first deliveries in late July or August. It is very much a new car yet, especially in the hands of customers.
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It's prudent to be cautious about new engine offerings and based on what is offered in the Si I may decide to wait even a while longer after it is available. I know some of us speculate that it will get a detuned version of the future Type R engine. If so I'll see if there are any first year kinks to work out. If it's just a tuned 1.5L paired with a manual trans, I'd be more apt to jump the gun on the first model year.
Does not compute. The 1.5T and the 2.0T are both recently introduced. Neither one has been around long enough to gain any kind of reputation.

BTW, I can't think of any instance where Honda released a known defective version of something only to revise it next model year. They had the glass tranny issue, but they never really fixed that and it took them forever to fess up to it. The first and final runs of those transmissions were all prone to failure.

The only thing Honda has obviously fubared was the aesthetics/content/style/performance of their cars. They quickly tried to fix the Civic this last time, and that was a new one for Honda. There have been issues with build quality also, like the wind noise problem on the newest Accord.

Any first year kinks will likely be restricted to infotainment/technology issues. And even then they may never resolve those.
 

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I can't help thinking about all the people driving the vibrating CRVs. Honda has acknowledged the concern butt the reviews and number of posts on their forum is staggering.....one of the reasons I will wait for a while. Carmax and other used car places arae full of 2015 CRVs.
 

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The good: Fuel Economy.

The bad: Everything else.:D

Honestly though, I think a lot of work has gone into the CVTs lately. Most now come pre-programmed to have "shift" points so it feels more like a traditional automatic. One of the biggest complaints is the engine noise when it revs up and sits at an RPM that drones.
I really was not sure where to insert my comments, but I have a CVT in my 2014 Civic. It is the quietest car I have ever driven so I don't understand the complaints of engine noise. The Honda CVT trannies have shift points programmed in so that it drives more like a conventional automatic. I don't get the comment about the car winding up and going. On the highway the car is very quiet and I have plenty of power for hills. I think the car is enjoyable to drive. I had a 1994 Civic before this and at highway speeds could hear the engine rev and pounded the crap out of it when climbing steep hills. Honda did an in house CVT so maybe it's different than others, it is not anything like an electric car. I don't know very much about cars, but I have had a very good experience. I get the feeling that people are criticizing something that they have never tried.
 

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I really was not sure where to insert my comments, but I have a CVT in my 2014 Civic. It is the quietest car I have ever driven so I don't understand the complaints of engine noise. The Honda CVT trannies have shift points programmed in so that it drives more like a conventional automatic. I don't get the comment about the car winding up and going. On the highway the car is very quiet and I have plenty of power for hills. I think the car is enjoyable to drive. I had a 1994 Civic before this and at highway speeds could hear the engine rev and pounded the crap out of it when climbing steep hills. Honda did an in house CVT so maybe it's different than others, it is not anything like an electric car. I don't know very much about cars, but I have had a very good experience. I get the feeling that people are criticizing something that they have never tried.
Have you viewed any of the 2016 Civic review videos?

http://www.civicx.com/threads/2016-honda-civic-reviews-videos-compilation.469/#post-5261

Does the CVT behave the same way as you have in your 2014 Civic?
 


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I really was not sure where to insert my comments, but I have a CVT in my 2014 Civic. It is the quietest car I have ever driven so I don't understand the complaints of engine noise. The Honda CVT trannies have shift points programmed in so that it drives more like a conventional automatic. I don't get the comment about the car winding up and going. On the highway the car is very quiet and I have plenty of power for hills. I think the car is enjoyable to drive. I had a 1994 Civic before this and at highway speeds could hear the engine rev and pounded the crap out of it when climbing steep hills. Honda did an in house CVT so maybe it's different than others, it is not anything like an electric car. I don't know very much about cars, but I have had a very good experience. I get the feeling that people are criticizing something that they have never tried.
Try a Nissan or Mitsubishi CVT (I've driven both) and you'll understand the winding and droning comment. I've also driven a Toyota CVT that behaved very similar to what you are saying your Civic does.
 

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I just got a 2016 Civic a few days ago with the CVT, it's the first time I've driven a CVT. It's only been a couple days but so far I don't really have any complaints. The engine is definitely quieter and definitely has a lot more pick-up than my old Civic did (although that could also just be because this car is new and my old Civic was 6 years old with 190,000 miles). I don't really notice the sound of the engine not getting louder and shifting mainly because the engine is so quiet and I can't really hear it over the radio. It is a little bit of a weird feeling though to not feel the car shift when accelerating on the freeway. I'm sure I'll get used to it though.
 

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I will take a Honda CVT over any other brand CVT or the new Hyundai DCT. There are already complaints on the forums of hesistation and over- heating of the transmission on the Hymdai forum. I don't mind the CVT. I think the only comment I can make is that it has not stood the test of time yet. The cars we are buying these past few years are sort of the test batch and the reliability of some of these won't be truely known for years. I am willing to take the chance, and more and more automakers are going to CVT. I really liked the way the CVT handled on the test drive (touring) on the highway. I had no trouble accelerating quickly and passing was great. As to the whine or noise it does sound diffferent. Different is sometimes better and sometimes not. Only time will tell but in the meantime I plan to enjoy my Civic when I get it and not worry about it. I will get the extended Honda Care for protection and enjoy the car. Just have to figure out what color.
 

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I'm impressed so far by the reviews that I've seen and read on the 2016 Civic Turbo. However, the recent announcement of the recall on the 2014 and 15 Civic CVT transmissions has stopped me dead in my tracks. There is no mention of any CVT changes on the 2016 Civic, so, by default, it has the same recalled transmission. To buy a spanking brand new car knowing that its transmission "may have a weakened drive pully shaft" makes me consider waiting for the Si and its proven 6 speed manual trans.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/honda-recalling-143000-civic-and-fit-models-for-cvt-trouble/

http://owners.honda.com/service-maintenance/recalls?id=
 

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I'm impressed so far by the reviews that I've seen and read on the 2016 Civic Turbo. However, the recent announcement of the recall on the 2014 and 15 Civic CVT transmissions has stopped me dead in my tracks. There is no mention of any CVT changes on the 2016 Civic, so, by default, it has the same recalled transmission. To buy a spanking brand new car knowing that its transmission "may have a weakened drive pully shaft" makes me consider waiting for the Si and its proven 6 speed manual trans.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/honda-recalling-143000-civic-and-fit-models-for-cvt-trouble/

http://owners.honda.com/service-maintenance/recalls?id=
The CVT in the new 10th gen civic is a totally different unit from the 9th gen. It's been mentioned more than a few times here and other places that the 10th gen got a almost 100% new CVT unit based on the accord CVT. So no worries about the old CVT.

BTW: My civic had the recall on the CVT, it was just a 30 minute software update. The weakening of the drive pully shaft would only become an issue if the recall was left unresolved for a long period of them. Also, it wasn't as much honda's issue as much as it was a manufacturers/suppliers issue.
 


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Thanks, Robbjk88. I had not seen that the 2016 CVT was based on the accord.

Guess I'll go and test drive one if the trans is not an issue.
 

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Thanks, Robbjk88. I had not seen that the 2016 CVT was based on the accord.

Guess I'll go and test drive one if the trans is not an issue.
No problem. Happy to help with any info i can.

The new civic actually has 2 CVT units, one for the 2.0L and another for the 1.5T (power differences i'm guessing) the 1.5T is also tuned differently for added performance, but both units are pretty much all new. Honda even stated in when the recall on the 2015 recall hit that 2016 CVTs would not be effected by the recall.
 

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I did just find this about the 2016 CVT for the turbo. Amazing what you can find when you know to look. :)

Continuously Variable Transmission for 1.5L Turbo
Turbo Civic models offer a CVT that is an evolution of the CVT transmission that is offered in Accord 4-cylinder models. In this application, the transmission's final gear ratio is 4.69-percent taller than the Accord CVT on which it's based, to allow for lower engine rpm while cruising. A new generation of G-Design shift logic aids acceleration and has a more familiar driving feel. A new turbine twin-damper design for the torque converter provides tighter control and helps reduce turbocharger lag as the vehicle accelerates.
 

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I didn't feel any lag when testing either the EX-T or the EX. I really like both the sound of the engine and the way it accelerated !! On both engines.
 

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I did just find this about the 2016 CVT for the turbo. Amazing what you can find when you know to look. :)

Continuously Variable Transmission for 1.5L Turbo
Turbo Civic models offer a CVT that is an evolution of the CVT transmission that is offered in Accord 4-cylinder models. In this application, the transmission's final gear ratio is 4.69-percent taller than the Accord CVT on which it's based, to allow for lower engine rpm while cruising. A new generation of G-Design shift logic aids acceleration and has a more familiar driving feel. A new turbine twin-damper design for the torque converter provides tighter control and helps reduce turbocharger lag as the vehicle accelerates.
That should more than satisfy anyone who's afraid because they think the CVT is the same as the ones in the 9th gen Civic which had issues.
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