2017 Honda Civic Si Coupe First Sighting!

bikejog · Jul 17, 2016

Newflyer3 said:
Biggest thing to take away from mules is chassis and powertrain. That's why it has the Si specific wheels, the powertrain, center exhaust. The car in terms of the shell/features and electronics could simply be a gutted EX-T coupe.

I hope you're right. I mean halogen headlights? Come on that's 80s tech. Why aren't all cars come with HID or LED is beyond my comprehension. They're so much safer than halogen. And side mirror turn signals are also safety items that all cars should come with. If the SI does not come with these two items, then I'm probably gonna be seriously considering the GTI. To be honest, the new Civic styles are starting to look very similar to the last generation. I mean when it first came out in prototypes, they look very nice, but as I see more and more of them on the road, they really starting to look like any other Civic: plain utilitarian people movers with plain interior and exteriors. I think the last perfect fwd car Honda made was the Prelude. That car has the proportions of a Porsche 911 and it handled like a Porsche. Sadly, I really don't think the new Civic is gonna be better than the last Prelude.

Shralper · Jul 17, 2016

s2kdriver80 said:
The Si needs to crank out 250+ hp minimum from the factory and the Type R 350+ hp to hang with the competition. They need to come out big for this new generation seeing how Honda likes to take eons to bump power output (think S2000 and previous Type R models). If not, we might be stuck with ~230hp and ~306 hp engines in these respective models for like the next 50 years.

Agreed. The Ford ST puts out 250HP and the WRX does 268HP. The Si needs at least 250HP.

Rumors last winter were saying it would be around 230HP max. I sure hope Honda has rethought that number. It makes no sense if they want to be at the top of the class.

Shralper · Jul 17, 2016

bikejog said:
Why aren't all cars come with HID or LED is beyond my comprehension. They're so much safer than halogen. And side mirror turn signals are also safety items that all cars should come with. If the SI does not come with these two items, then I'm probably gonna be seriously considering the GTI.

We've been dying to know for over a year if there'd even be a Si and if so, what the motor specs will be. Most of us will be gone if it's anything less than a 2.0 turbo (even today, it STILL hasn't been confirmed :what:

) . And you're ready to bail on the Si over headlights and turn signals?? Sorry, dude, but you just blew my mind. :confused1:

If it's any consolation, I'm sure there will be aftermarket kits to add custom lights. Adding a 2.0 turbo won't be so easy though.

jk147 · Jul 17, 2016

Somehow I feel like a lot of posters here never really looked into Hondas in general and are first time owners.

Si is never about luxury, it is about A) high rev engine b) Sweet 6 speed c) performance oriented over the main line.

It is more than likely to be about the same price as the EX-L without the features. Now with the new turbo line up I doubt Honda is going to bring back the 8k rpm redline.. or maybe they will with the 1.5T. If it is going to offer the same feature as touring we are looking at a 28k+ car here.

Check out the prices below for the last gen.

http://www.cars.com/honda/civic/2014/standard-equipment/

Newflyer3 · Jul 17, 2016

bikejog said:
I hope you're right. I mean halogen headlights? Come on that's 80s tech. Why aren't all cars come with HID or LED is beyond my comprehension. They're so much safer than halogen. And side mirror turn signals are also safety items that all cars should come with. If the SI does not come with these two items, then I'm probably gonna be seriously considering the GTI. To be honest, the new Civic styles are starting to look very similar to the last generation. I mean when it first came out in prototypes, they look very nice, but as I see more and more of them on the road, they really starting to look like any other Civic: plain utilitarian people movers with plain interior and exteriors. I think the last perfect fwd car Honda made was the Prelude. That car has the proportions of a Porsche 911 and it handled like a Porsche. Sadly, I really don't think the new Civic is gonna be better than the last Prelude.

Because Halogens are less expensive where LEDs and HIDs cost hundreds of dollars. Across 300k cars/year volume. It adds up. Think about it, all LED headlights from the factory between all brands are sold by the housing. Not the bulb. So the manufacture has to R&D a certain circuit board for it, engineer the light distribution and all that for that particular model. LED headlights on the Ford Explorer now are aimed sideways and reflected forward. F150 gives you the ice cubes, Acura gives you the projectors and Honda gives you the down facing reflectors. Considering that the light system is engineered for that specific housing and can only be used for 6 years until the redesign, it doesn't drive the cost down low enough to make it standard across the board.

Like everyone here has said. Si in America was never 'above' the regular Civic. Us enthusiasts on this forum are bias to think that way due to our preference for performance cars but Honda tends to push Si and top trim base engine as equals. Like I said, it's a mule in the pictures, stuff can change. I would't be surprised if that was the production spec either since they already put the Si badge, red stitched steering wheel and red gauge cluster in. Why do those small details if it's just R&D powertrain and chassis?

Phosky · Jul 17, 2016

Shralper said:
Agreed. The Ford ST puts out 250HP and the WRX does 268HP. The Si needs at least 250HP.

Rumors last winter were saying it would be around 230HP max. I sure hope Honda has rethought that number. It makes no sense if they want to be at the top of the class.

I believe that 230hp figure was from a long time ago when it was forecast that Honda would employ a naturally aspirated engine for the new Si. Now that it's generally accepted that the new powerplant will be a turbo 2.0L (which makes 268hp in non-R form), I'm confident we can dispose of the early 230hp misinformation.

jdogcarroll · Jul 18, 2016

What about pricing? Someone said earlier that it would be more than the touring... so close to $28-$30k? If thats the case then I don't see the CTR being much more than that because MSRP of its (competition) is around $35k..... So why would honda put out a car (that is probably only FWD compared to the AWD competition) for MORE $$ ... that doesn't make any sense to me. Unless I am not understanding something here... and to me I don't see a $28k car, from those pictures...

gop-demon · Jul 18, 2016

Where was this spotted? ohio?

Grambles · Jul 18, 2016

NorthernEX-T said:
Ya because this is what the production Si will look like 100%.. SMH. This is the mule. Have fun in your VW.

Agreed.

LEDs are an easy swap on this generation. No sense in down playing the car when you can just buy higher grade parts.

s2kdriver80 said:
The Si needs to crank out 250+ hp minimum from the factory and the Type R 350+ hp to hang with the competition. They need to come out big for this new generation seeing how Honda likes to take eons to bump power output (think S2000 and previous Type R models). If not, we might be stuck with ~230hp and ~306 hp engines in these respective models for like the next 50 years.

Honda doesn't NEED to produce a certain number to hang. 9th gen pumped out similar track numbers compared to the Focus ST, all for thousands less.

Horsepower wars are for the arm chair racers who don't know anything about performance. If the Si comes in 230hp with a lighter chassis, it already performs loads better than what it did especially if it has more torque. Plus, it'll be cheaper. It always ha been.

As for the Type R, The current gen is competing well with its competition with fewer wheels propelling it. I think the Type R will be just fine. again, Honda has ALWAYS been the company to modestly fly under the radar and perform fine with its competition without actually jumping into the pissing competition.

Look at the NSX. Heavy. Mid range power, but performs like a hyper car. With a modest low key styling and interior, it shines as a raw purity in its technological age. Honda again achieves modest performance.

Grambles · Jul 18, 2016

jdogcarroll said:
What about pricing? Someone said earlier that it would be more than the touring... so close to $28-$30k? If thats the case then I don't see the CTR being much more than that because MSRP of its (competition) is around $35k..... So why would honda put out a car (that is probably only FWD compared to the AWD competition) for MORE $$ ... that doesn't make any sense to me. Unless I am not understanding something here... and to me I don't see a $28k car, from those pictures...

And rightfully so. Honda won't increase the price of an Si by $4000 for placement. It'll be cheap like it always has been. $25K tops if that.

Leaves plenty of room for CTR

All-Knowing · Jul 18, 2016

Phosky said:
I believe that 230hp figure was from a long time ago when it was forecast that Honda would employ a naturally aspirated engine for the new Si. Now that it's generally accepted that the new powerplant will be a turbo 2.0L (which makes 268hp in non-R form), I'm confident we can dispose of the early 230hp misinformation.

Don't be so sure. Not once has the power plant been confirmed.

JYR · Jul 18, 2016

It's about time.

From a previous 9th gen Si owner standpoint, this interior appears to be leaps and bounds over the previous car. The 9th gen seats were okay at best. The materials were shit and the bolstering was practically nonexistent on the track. The seats also sat really high, which it appears that they have lowered them a bit for this mule.

The steering wheel appears to be similar in design to that in the 9th gen. I hope the thickness of the wheel is larger than the wheel in the 9th gen.

I see the lane watch camera, which is fantastic for checking out the chic in the lane next to you.

The stereo remains knob-less and is something that will once again mostly be operated from the steering wheel. I like that-

It appears this mule has had a wing of some sort removed.

This color is horrible on a sports orientated car. I hope a Fiji Blue is available...

The engine is a huge unknown at this point. Some say a detuned 2.0 from the R and others say a hopped up 1.5. Transmission is also unknown, but at least we see a manual for the purest.

Lastly, I hope the thieves stay away from this car.

RobbJK88 · Jul 18, 2016

I love the back and forth over what could be/ should be. I honestly don't see the Si making much more than around 230-240hp.... if it's got a lighter chassis than the competition and pulls the same/better numbers WHO CARES what the actual number is. The Si has always been more about handling ability than straight line speed anyway (which do you think matters more on a road coarse with lots of turns and twists?). For god sake the 1.5T civics make 0-60 times close to the 9th gen Si... with less power, what makes you think a detuned 2.0T wouldn't outperform it's stated numbers too???

Lets remind everyone, this is a MULE... most likely (as some have said) a stripped down EXT model. We may still see certain things (like LED headlights) come to the final production car, why would honda spend hundreds of more dollars adding LED lights to a mule that's going to be literally crushed in a compactor once they're done testing it? lol. Also for those of you *cough cough* saying you won't get an Si if it DOESNT have LED headlights, the GTI doesn't come standard with LED headlights either, you have to pay an extra $1k for the lighting package (on an already most likely more expensive car, the 5 door GTI starts at $28k!?)

I don't see the Si breaking it's mold from previous generations too much and still being most likely priced around $25-26k, and remaining driver and sport focused by NOT adding all the bells and whistles on the touring models. That said, we could see 2 trim levels or an available package that adds things like the LED headlights, etc. But packages aren't really honda's thing either.

JYR · Jul 18, 2016

RobbJK88 said:
.... if it's got a lighter chassis than the competition and pulls the same/better numbers WHO CARES what the actual number is. The Si has always been more about handling ability than straight line speed anyway (which do you think matters more on a road coarse with lots of turns and twists?).

Unfortunately, the majority of this segment in the market place will chase dyno numbers and not what the car is designed for. People will buy it, and the first thing they will do is install a re-mapped ECU for more power and add an exhaust to open up the engine a bit more.

-meanwhile, I promise the factory tires (the one thing that can dramatically improve the car instantly) will be the last thing considered. It's sad.

On my 9th gen, factory sized Dunlop Star Specs, a large rear sway bar, alignment, and Hawk Street/Race brake pads changed the car completely.

TechSIguy · Jul 18, 2016

RobbJK88 said:
I love the back and forth over what could be/ should be. I honestly don't see the Si making much more than around 230-240hp.... if it's got a lighter chassis than the competition and pulls the same/better numbers WHO CARES what the actual number is. The Si has always been more about handling ability than straight line speed anyway (which do you think matters more on a road coarse with lots of turns and twists?). For god sake the 1.5T civics make 0-60 times close to the 9th gen Si... with less power, what makes you think a detuned 2.0T wouldn't outperform it's stated numbers too???

Lets remind everyone, this is a MULE... most likely (as some have said) a stripped down EXT model. We may still see certain things (like LED headlights) come to the final production car, why would honda spend hundreds of more dollars adding LED lights to a mule that's going to be literally crushed in a compactor once they're done testing it? lol. Also for those of you *cough cough* saying you won't get an Si if it DOESNT have LED headlights, the GTI doesn't come standard with LED headlights either, you have to pay an extra $1k for the lighting package (on an already most likely more expensive car, the 5 door GTI starts at $28k!?)

I don't see the Si breaking it's mold from previous generations too much and still being most likely priced around $25-26k, and remaining driver and sport focused by NOT adding all the bells and whistles on the touring models. That said, we could see 2 trim levels or an available package that adds things like the LED headlights, etc. But packages aren't really honda's thing either.

I'm with you on the power plant here, I strongly think that the SI will remain around 230-240. Alot of people saying its going to be bumped up to 268 just to 'keep up" with competition but the SI has never aimed at cars like the wrx as a benchmark and I don't think it ever will. I don't think we've ever seen a bump of 60HP + on an SI before. An increase of 320 should be fine and since its coming turbo there are going to be ton of tuning possibilities. the LED and and turn signals deterring some people away from buying an SI is just ridiculous.

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