arpypat
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OP mentioned it being an older body style one. 2015 GTIs come in at 2972-3086 lbs depending on options.
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OP mentioned it being an older body style one. 2015 GTIs come in at 2972-3086 lbs depending on options.
Damn, that is hefty. Must've been an automatic sedan that they had tested. The manual GTI coupes were under 3000lbs. Even if it was 7% heavier, the torque on paper is a 34% difference and should give the GTI more of an edge. I agree that the Si is underrated on paper and does a good job of making a relatively slow car feel fast!Car and Driver weighed their 2015 test GTI at 3,105. Still 200 lbs. heavier than an Si sedan.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15109184/2015-volkswagen-gti-test-review/
Hondata uses a Dynapack, I believe Ktuner does as well, so its not actually 205 to the wheels, its 205 to the hubs as it removes the rotational mass of the wheel. Dynapacks can read 7-10% higher than a Dynojet, so there's not really wizardry going on here. If this is your first decently quick car, it may seem extra fast to your butt. A single 3rd gear pull from 60-85mph race isn't going to actually give you an idea as to how fast your car is.Dynos arent everything but I find it funny how people who want to down play the Si's power always quote TSP's 182hp but fail to understand that other dynos (Ktuner and Hondata) have seen 200-205 AT THE WHEELS. But this wasnt about dyno results, its about my real life experience and my real life experience tells me this car doesnt feel like a 205 hp crank engine.
Hondata uses a Dynapack, I believe Ktuner does as well, so its not actually 205 to the wheels, its 205 to the hubs as it removes the rotational mass of the wheel. Dynapacks can read 7-10% higher than a Dynojet, so there's not really wizardry going on here.
I've driven many fast cars from ZL1's, to Corvette Grand Sports, G70, GT350, Stinger, STI, and even a Lamborghini Gallardo on a track. I know fast, and I also know that the Si doesnt feel like 205 at the crank, at least mine doesn't.. If this is your first decently quick car, it may seem extra fast to your butt. A single 3rd gear pull from 60-85mph race isn't going to actually give you an idea as to how fast your car is.
I knowYou weren't there
Just curious... What enticed you to revert to stock?I was, but I reverted back to stock about 3 months ago and sold it on ebay.
Many reasons but here are the main ones.Just curious... What enticed you to revert to stock?
I have to agree. Numbers don't lie...that is if they haven't been made up or rigged. Here is a 2016 GTI MK7 as compared to a 2017 Civic Si. On the same course the Si was about 2 seconds slower, and roughly 1 second slower in 0-60. That's not a lot slower, but enough to lose a raceI know
But i believe in numbers, theres no magic
He's probably used to RWD oversteerSo, not hot.
He whined three times about understeer. I wonder what he would say if he drove an Si with a Type-R rear sway bar installed.
You're right, dynos can be made to read high or low, but shop/store dynos tend to be more rose colored than others. The owner in the last vid dynoed in the middle of winter in IL, I'd expect it to read high, cold ambient temps do that. Honda also likely used 91 octane for their advertised numbers, you're gonna see a bump with 93. That said, This:That's MAPerformance on a Dyno Jet with 200hp AT THE WHEELS.
Here's JST Performance with 201hp AT THE WHEELS.
And here is this guy making 198hp AT THE WHEELS on a Mustang Dyno which are known to read low.
I didn't want to turn this into a dyno discussion because dynos have so many variables, but just wanted to prove that some numbers are showing that Honda did do some "wizardry".
You talk about your butt dyno and real life experiences and driving/racing much faster cars, yet thought a single gear pull from 60-85 was at all indicative of a car's true power/performance?I've driven many fast cars from ZL1's, to Corvette Grand Sports, G70, GT350, Stinger, STI, and even a Lamborghini Gallardo on a track. I know fast, and I also know that the Si doesnt feel like 205 at the crank, at least mine doesn't.
That said, This:
Is not indicative of a 201whp Si, my stock FG2 ran a hair quicker at the same track stock (I'm fairly local to JST). Dyno can lie, but the track doesn't.
You can find any videos you want to prove your point, and I can find any video I want to prove mine. For example I can find a couple of videos on YouTube of a stock Si beating a stock WRX and EVO in a race, dont believe me? Just ask..but it doesnt prove anything but my point .A single gear pull? Did you miss the other example of taking on a GTI? Or how about the fact that I have owned my car for over 2 and a half years, I'm pretty sure that I've had more than a single gear pull in that amount of timeYou talk about your butt dyno and real life experiences and driving/racing much faster cars, yet thought a single gear pull from 60-85 was at all indicative of a car's true power/performance?