2021 Civic Type R Limited Edition: Ultimate Track-Focused Type R Coming to America

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Did they guarantee MSRP. I have a 2020 on the way but my dealer wants markup on this limited car and thinks its around 40k.
I'd wager on signing a contract if they're willing to go 40k :p Someone before posted that they got an email from Honda saying it was going to be about 42k.

Edit: I'm not liable if any of these rumors are wrong :p
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Did they guarantee MSRP. I have a 2020 on the way but my dealer wants markup on this limited car and thinks its around 40k.
We did not discuss price yet. However, I have a long history of buying many new Hondas from him. Msrp or very very close is what I'd expect. I certainly won't be someone paying $10-20k adm.
 

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To the people upset about the sport line model not going to the states, there's nothing really special about it that you cannot already do to your type r's now. The 19" wheels are FK2 wheels just reused for cost savings, you can buy them for cheap prices here in Europe and ship them. Remove the red pin stripes and swap out the hatch for a sport/base model hatch or order the small spoiler from Europe when it comes out to swap out with the big spoiler. The seats can easily be bought from a dealer in Europe to be sent over. Definitely not the most cost efficient but its possible.
 

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So, not much of an improvement to call it a "track car". Need more than just lighter wheels and beautification to make it around the track consitently. Another overpriced model that is still FWD which will still require an IC, Oil Cooler, and Radiator to keep it running around a track. A base Si or even a 6MT 1.5T might be behind 10s per lap, but this car would get beaten as soon as it limps out. The value in this is only "perceived" as it isn't inherent at the least.
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We all know that in engineering components have a specific optimal operation interval. Take oil/ brake pads... Each characteristic will vary within an interval. Problem is you can't max out all of them. Take brake pads, you can't have at the same time: wide optimal operation range, high fade resilience, long lifetime, silent operation, accessible price.

I think all those expecting a 100% track ready car are forgetting that this car has to meet numerous requirements:
- be able to run in a wide array of ambient temperatures (considerably below freezing up to very hot summer weather). It's freezing, the engine has to be able to quickly reach the operating temp.
- be able to withstand various usage patterns: very frequent, short rides without time to heat up the engine, bumper to bumper traffic, long extra-urban rides.
- be cheap to service/maintain. No specialized components that are very expensive, require more frequent servicing.
- likely other constraints we're not aware of.
Try to use a Type R TCR daily for short trips, bumper to bumper, cold weather...outside of the very specific conditions it was designed for.

I work in SW engineering and it's just not possible to design a system that is highly performant, reliable, secure, flexible, cheap to develop/operate/maintain. It's a utopia.
 


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We all know that in engineering components have a specific optimal operation interval. Take oil/ brake pads... Each characteristic will vary within an interval. Problem is you can't max out all of them. Take brake pads, you can't have at the same time: wide optimal operation range, high fade resilience, long lifetime, silent operation, accessible price.

I think all those expecting a 100% track ready car are forgetting that this car has to meet numerous requirements:
- be able to run in a wide array of ambient temperatures (considerably below freezing up to very hot summer weather). It's freezing, the engine has to be able to quickly reach the operating temp.
- be able to withstand various usage patterns: very frequent, short rides without time to heat up the engine, bumper to bumper traffic, long extra-urban rides.
- be cheap to service/maintain. No specialized components that are very expensive, require more frequent servicing.
- likely other constraints we're not aware of.
Try to use a Type R TCR daily for short trips, bumper to bumper, cold weather...outside of the very specific conditions it was designed for.

I work in SW engineering and it's just not possible to design a system that is highly performant, reliable, secure, flexible, cheap to develop/operate/maintain. It's a utopia.
100% agree with you. "Track focused".....not track specific. Not anywhere close to "purpose built" It's Intent is to build the best car possible for a reasonable price with factory style long life parts. Production cars are full of compromises.
 

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So, not much of an improvement to call it a "track car". Need more than just lighter wheels and beautification to make it around the track consitently. Another overpriced model that is still FWD which will still require an IC, Oil Cooler, and Radiator to keep it running around a track. A base Si or even a 6MT 1.5T might be behind 10s per lap, but this car would get beaten as soon as it limps out. The value in this is only "perceived" as it isn't inherent at the least.
To be honest, I wasn’t ever quoted to be a track car. Maybe a track-focused car, but most definitely never a track car. Honda has the TC to fill that void which is a true to life track car in which you need a “racing team” to purchase said vehicle and parts. That purchase itself isn’t cheap either.
 

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I agree with HondaFan 2017 too. It's easy to take track days too seriously. I like to turn up in a stock standard, well designed, high performance car that can be daily driven and see how fast I can go compared to other stock standard examples of the same model. Once you go beyond that it becomes a competition of who is willing to spend the most to create the most impractical road car. If I want a more race car experience I'd rather rent or buy a race car for a (relatively) cheap one-make series and start rubbing panels.
 

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I agree with HondaFan 2017 too. It's easy to take track days too seriously. I like to turn up in a stock standard, well designed, high performance car that can be daily driven and see how fast I can go compared to other stock standard examples of the same model. Once you go beyond that it becomes a competition of who is willing to spend the most to create the most impractical road car. If I want a more race car experience I'd rather rent or buy a race car for a (relatively) cheap one-make series and start rubbing panels.
I'm not sure how bad it is to modify a CTR to not overheat during track events. Most common mods right now are intercooler, radiator, oil cooler, brakes, and maybe a cooling hood and higher-flow grill. I wouldn't call that an impractical road car (except for brakes which most likely just swap out).
 

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I'm not sure how bad it is to modify a CTR to not overheat during track events. Most common mods right now are intercooler, radiator, oil cooler, brakes, and maybe a cooling hood and higher-flow grill. I wouldn't call that an impractical road car (except for brakes which most likely just swap out).
Fair enough. I'm used to a Porsche club where plenty of road cars end up being almost race cars so despite a multitude of classes it's not a level playing field. Honda should offer your mods as a track pack option for all CTRs.
 
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Fair enough. I'm used to a Porsche club where plenty of road cars end up being almost race cars so despite a multitude of classes it's not a level playing field. Honda should offer your mods as a track pack option for all CTRs.
The only "track" pack they offer is for their Civic TC. It's not offered to the public though like the Miata (or similar is).
 

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I spoke with my sales guy here in Canada and he gave me a few updates for the 100 allocated to Canada. The dealer I deal with is likely going to get one, perhaps more due to the number of type r’s they sell. If I want it they will sell at msrp and they believe the price will be no more than $3k over the 2020. They are thinking around $1500 but nobody knows until April when the preorder goes live. Still debating but I do love the yellow type r integras. Damn you Honda.
 

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To be fair, I think most stock cars will have some sort of issues on track days. Focus RS with AWD system overheating. Corvettes getting sued several times for different overheating issues and wheels cracking issues. Sti having brake issues. The list goes on. The ctr actually handles track days quite well in stock form. The engine can get a bit too hot but 30 seconds of cool down time during a session should cool things enough to go for another 10min. Most track day sessions are about 20min each.
I've had a Renault R26.R and a 182 and neither had any issues with overheating. The CTR is ridiculously sensitive to ambient temperature - I've had the temperature gauge near the top halfway round a moderate lap round the ring - not really a good place to have 30 seconds of cool down time. I'm very tempted by this Limited edition but need reassurance that it will work at anything over 15 degrees C.
 

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No radio, and No A/C tells me its a little more than, "Track Focused." JMHO
 

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I'm surprised they didn't strip the rear seats like the Megane RS Trophy R. If there was any model to do it in, this should've been the one.
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