LogR Performance Data Recorder App launched for 2020 Civic Type R

kefi said:

The 2017-2019 US CTR does not have an oil temperature sensor. Europe does.

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JW0914 said:

...so the simplest answer [Occam's Razor] as to why LogR is not compatible with the 2017 - 2019 FK8's is that Honda upgraded Android to >=5.0.

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is NOT a valid technical conclusion and your statements about Android Operating Systems compatibility is highly flawed. ( FYI: I am an Android software developer)

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jasonjm said:

It’s just an app, most likely there will be an APK that can be side loaded with the Honda hack. Otherwise I can’t see why they won’t let this run (via download) on older systems. Don’t worry ya’ll.

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Ding ding ding ding ding!

JW0914 said:

Either way, there's little point in arguing, so best of luck =]​

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Agreed .. especially as I do not need any luck for this as I do not have a Type R -- but just for curiosity, I might try installing into the Si, and see what happens, accepting that it will be missing some sensors.

A project I have in mind is fitting Oil Temperature & "analogue" oil Pressure to the Si ( Miss having an oil pressure gauge)

Initial Plan was to do this as a separate Analogue Sensor to dedicated Gauge system, but if this Type-R's Log/Data recorder can run on the Si, I might well consider putting the two Oil sensors onto the Bus,(so they can be integrated into the Apps software) and accept the added complication of the more advanced sensor interfacing.

Hey, I can dream Mods !!!

I am not as familiar with the Type-r as I am with my Si, but i believe my Si does not have any form of Oil Temperature Sensor, and the 2 Oil Pressure sensors that it does have, are just CAM Shaft Oil Pressure "switches".

For servicing, to MEASURE oil pressure, one has to remove a Blocking off cap, and attach an external Oil Pressure Gauge. ( to a Point that is a P.I.T.A. to get to )

The Si would therefore need both a true Analogue Oil Pressure sensor AND a true Analogue Oil Temperature sensor added, interfaced to a analogue to Can converter, programmed to provide the correct PID information.
Starts to get complex and expensive, with diminishing return for the amount invested.

like everyone else, this is the ONLY thing that intrigues me as I track often and don't have any aftermarket engine management that provides these gauges/displays..etc. Judging the history of head units alone, doesn't look like it'll be backwards compatible. Look how ancient head units are in general. Mfg added CarPlay(pretty recent) and some cars don't even have them....i mean..give me a break. They're horrible and they get updated annually. Not like mfg replaces them either.
I'm not a fan of hacking either. I like smooth, seamless apps. I've been down that hacking, upgrading road. Sometimes cool, but mostly annoying. And you have a chance of bricking the unit. But, i would do it for this feature.
Lets hope honda hears us cockroaches and do us R owns a solid!

Type-JZ said:

like everyone else, this is the ONLY thing that intrigues me as I track often and don't have any aftermarket engine management that provides these gauges/displays..etc. Judging the history of head units alone, doesn't look like it'll be backwards compatible. Look how ancient head units are in general. Mfg added CarPlay(pretty recent) and some cars don't even have them....i mean..give me a break. They're horrible and they get updated annually. Not like mfg replaces them either.
I'm not a fan of hacking either. I like smooth, seamless apps. I've been down that hacking, upgrading road. Sometimes cool, but mostly annoying. And you have a chance of bricking the unit. But, i would do it for this feature.
Lets hope Honda hears us cockroaches and do us R owns a solid!

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They're horrible and they get ( minor, bug fix) updated annually. Not like mfg replaces them either.

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Exactly -- if you are lucky, they get very minor updates , and if you are even more lucky, they occasionally initially fix bugs, and provide the dealers with Updates, that in many case, they mess up trying to install.

For Example in 2018, the Premium system had a Touch Volume slider. Customers complained heavily about this, so Honda (surprisingly) updated the 2019 unit to have a Volume Knob.
They could do this because it was actually quite a simple update, LG produced a new Screen for them, with a mechanical Volume control, and it was only a very minor software change in the separate Head Unit, to interface to this updated control. No hardware changes in the main head Unit, and only a small software change to the UI, no need for any OS update, or any of the other application to be updated.

The Development in the 3rd party Android head Unit market is fast and often. Every time you turn around, another (China) Head Unit Manufacturer (distributor) is pushing either a newer and better unit, of a less expensive version of an existing unit.

Head Unit development and advance in the Auto Industry by comparison is VERY slow, and the units developed are effective "out-of-date" and behind the times, before the 1st car using that new Head Unit is ever sold.

Producing a new, more up to date head unit, is only justified (maybe), when a new Model is released every 3-5 years, and those head unit were specked and started their design & development many year before the car is to be sold.

So, NO WAY, in the declining years of GENX, is Honda going to develop or introduce a "NEW" updated GENX compatible Head Unit. or put time and effort into any significant updates to the GenX one.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and if it is Broke, and not 100% Necessary to fix any existing "Bugs", hopefully it will not be the same bug in the new design.

This is why the Android OS in the GENx head units is over 5 years old, and the hardware equally old (or older)
Some of the core software running in these units is over 10+ year old , written for previous OS version, but still able to run on a just 5 year old OS.

On a brighter note, look at what awaits us in Honda's Future Vehicles.
( and YES, it has a VOLUME CONTROL Knob -- on the smaller Horizontal control panel)

Now Thats A HEAD UNIT, but it won't be backward compatible with GenX cars !!!

kefi said:

Oil temp is present in european models already I believe, but this notably is displayed in farenheit.

I'm really curious how they're accomplishing this. Bluetooth module in the ECU? Seems unlikely.. Probably the headunit itself connects to your phone and receives the data over the same channels as the vehicle speed, mileage, etc.

Kinda gimmicky though, nothing you can't already do with a $20 bluetooth dongle and several existing apps.

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I tried with a BT OBD dongle and you don't get the temps.

and then --- not so many years after that :-

josh8604 said:

I tried with a BT OBD dongle and you don't get the temps.

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so you too huh? good to know. I thought maybe it was just me. I also have an OBD unit and no water temps either. sucks!

We likely just have to find the right PIDs for it. Certain cars require customizing Torque's readout. I remember my RX8's tire pressures could be accessed in real time by Torque but only if you manually entered the PIDs and appropriate conversion formulas. There wasn't any in-car display, either, so it was real nifty to have.

Even if we can somehow get this app to work on the 17-19 models we would still be missing the oil temp and pressure in it. Which honestly is the only thing I'd want from it considering there is so many great lap timers and data loggers out there already. I'm curious to see where they installed these two sensors. I'm pretty sure they integrated the wires into the main harness so it wouldn't be a quick sensor install to get this to work.

kefi said:

We likely just have to find the right PIDs for it. Certain cars require customizing Torque's readout. I remember my RX8's tire pressures could be accessed in real time by Torque but only if you manually entered the PIDs and appropriate conversion formulas. There wasn't any in-car display, either, so it was real nifty to have.

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I have used Torque with my Android tablet and no temps and I have also tried DashCmd app for iOS. I also hope that they can release an updated add-on for the FK8 but lets see.

FK8_Track_Pig said:

Even if we can somehow get this app to work on the 17-19 models we would still be missing the oil temp and pressure in it. Which honestly is the only thing I'd want from it considering there is so many great lap timers and data loggers out there already. I'm curious to see where they installed these two sensors. I'm pretty sure they integrated the wires into the main harness so it wouldn't be a quick sensor install to get this to work.

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hondata seems to be able to pull those info from our ecu, no? So i think it could be done. but, it won't be done, though.

Biggest difference between 2019 and 2020 is Honda Sense...more than likely, Honda Sense is integrated into the log application-not that the features themselves are required but some of the control units are capable of providing data to the app.

And just to clarify, just because a bus connects control units does not mean it can do something like LogR. It's also entirely possible that some functionality has changed in the control units to enable LogR.

Personally, I don't see this as a big deal. Like others have said, there are others options for logging and there are always features introduced in new models.

And who knows? Maybe we'll all be surprised and some version of it will work for the 2017-2019 model owners

ian408 said:

Biggest difference between 2019 and 2020 is Honda Sense...more than likely, Honda Sense is integrated into the log application-not that the features themselves are required but some of the control units are capable of providing data to the app.

And just to clarify, just because a bus connects control units does not mean it can do something like LogR. It's also entirely possible that some functionality has changed in the control units to enable LogR.

Personally, I don't see this as a big deal. Like others have said, there are others options for logging and there are always features introduced in new models.

And who knows? Maybe we'll all be surprised and some version of it will work for the 2017-2019 model owners

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You're giving me hope as a '19 owner!