This is factually inaccurate...Once someone with a 2020 Type R and Honda hack "Exports" the APK, and "Shares it", anyone else with Honda Hack should be able to install that APK, and with the downloaded Phone app, have LogR running.
Anyone Else being anyone with an earlier Model GenX Type R, or possibly even a GenX Si
Does anyone on this forum know any specific details of the 2020 Type-R's Head Unit, and that it is not the same as the 2018, or 2019 units ( +/- a Volume Knob)This is factually inaccurate...
The likely reason for the compatibility issue is the version of Android the 2020 CTR is running on its tablet. APKs are built for Android versions, and it's up to the developer of an app as to what Android versions they compile for. Should the headunit's tablet use a version of Android higher than KitKat, in order for the APK to be installed on KitKat, it would have to be compiled for KitKat. Unless the Developer is using opensource code only for the app's code, only the Developer can compile it.
- For example, this is why Escort's Escort Live app cannot be installed on the CTR's tablet headunit.
Buttons on the left are different, but aesthetics/functionality has zero to do with what Android version it's running. The 2017 - 2019 FK8's have all the temperature sensors relevant to LogR, so the simplest answer [Occam's Razor] as to why LogR is not compatible with the 2017 - 2019 FK8's is that Honda upgraded Android to >=5.0.Does anyone on this forum know any specific details of the 2020 Type-R's Head Unit, and that it is not the same as the 2018, or 2019 units ( +/- a Volume Knob)
I think we are both talking about something that we have no sure information about ( at least I am )Buttons on the left are different, but aesthetics/functionality has zero to do with what Android version it's running. The 2017 - 2019 FK8's have all the temperature sensors relevant to LogR, so the simplest answer [Occam's Razor] as to why LogR is not compatible with the 2017 - 2019 FK8's is that Honda upgraded Android to >=5.0.
- This being said, it could be for a very different reason, and Honda could have stuck with a bottom-of-the-barrel budget tablet running an outdated, insecure OS that doesn't use SELinux... but the simplest answer is they upgraded the OS.
I am sure they will release some sort of hack for this eventually.Ugh if there really is no 2017-2019 support, this makes me hella bitter. I was more intrigued by this than the phoenix yellow type r.
I think we are both talking about something that we have no sure information about ( at least I am )
When Honda updated the GenX had Unit to have a Volume Knob, that was just a simple change to the Display Module part, (made by LG) and very little to the software on the unit.
It could be the same for the different looking display shown on the 2020 Type R.
Developing new faster hardware, and updating all the OLD Honda Software to Android 8, 9 or 10, with the same Honda Unique hardware features of the earlier GenX head unit would be a massive development, and I would have thought it was highly unlikely that they would do this at the tail end of GenX.
I am sure they will release some sort of hack for this eventually.
So the USA 2020 Type R most likely has the Oil Temperature sensor At least that is a welcome step forward !The 2017-2019 US CTR does not have an oil temperature sensor. Europe does.
I strongly doubt this has something to do with the Android version and more to do with the fact that nothing is transmitting that data in the first place on older models. An APK can't just magically access all those sensors because you install it on the headunit. The headunit does have access to some sensors (speed, steering angle, mileage) and can write to certain systems (TPMS, rev match), but it's limited.
I think that’s the whole point. To make significant changes to appeal to new buyers and owners of previous year models. Makes current owners think to themselves.... “ Should I trade it in?”
"so the simplest answer [Occam's Razor] as to why LogR is not compatible with the 2017 - 2019 FK8's is that Honda upgraded Android to >=5.0." is NOT a valid technical conclusion and your statements about Android Operating Systems compatibility is highly flawed. ( FYI: I am an Android software developer)Buttons on the left are different, but aesthetics/functionality has zero to do with what Android version it's running. The 2017 - 2019 FK8's have all the temperature sensors relevant to LogR, so the simplest answer [Occam's Razor] as to why LogR is not compatible with the 2017 - 2019 FK8's is that Honda upgraded Android to >=5.0.
- This being said, it could be for a very different reason, and Honda could have stuck with a bottom-of-the-barrel budget tablet running an outdated, insecure OS that doesn't use SELinux... but the simplest answer is they upgraded the OS.
The display assembly part number is the same on 2020 Type R/Si/Sport Touring as 2019 so at least the hardware is the same for the display. I guess it could still use a different Android version though.[/QUO
"so the simplest answer [Occam's Razor] as to why LogR is not compatible with the 2017 - 2019 FK8's is that Honda upgraded Android to >=5.0." is NOT a valid technical conclusion and your statements about Android Operating Systems compatibility is highly flawed. ( FYI: I am an Android software developer)
Wonder who just watched the Movie "CONTACT"
If Honda has upgraded the head Unit or it's Operating system for the 2020 Type R, they would be most defiantly be announcing and promoting it.
There has been no release from Honda about any Head unit or OS update, so we can be highly confident that it has not been updated --( for so many technical and cost reasons)
BTW: Look at some of the Honda "Concept cars" -- they give a glimpse as to what Honda Envisage their future Entertainment (and Information) Display system will be like in future cars.
A quantum leap from that in the genX, and probably needed for future Electric Drive Honda vehicles -- but not for genX
In all fairness, I think you also have to also look at it from the point of the car manufacturer, Honda in our case.This is pretty relevant as this will not limit 2017-2019 FK8 owners from downloading the App to their systems. I would be inclined to think that the only "exclusivity" of this software for 2020 models will be then only limited to the app (and associated sensor inputs). We just need to try and have it installed in our units and see what happens. I feel the major constraint for non-Honda hacked users is if the permissions "hand-shake" between our unit and the app can be made or not. We would potentially be loosing the oil temp sensor input(since we do not have the sensor), but everything else should work. (needless to say, this is all hypothetical thinking).
On a side note but related, I cannot stress how frustrated I am with the fact that our units have so much space available for new Apps and you pretty much can't download anything into it. Meaning...I would think by now Honda would have several apps created that could have been downloaded into the system without any issues. Obviously this is not the case. Then this App, that I believe meets this criteria is deemed "exclusive" to newer models.
Very frustrating.