Considering trading for an Accord Sport 2.0T 10AT

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To be fair, roadholding is a small component of the total handling equation. As I mentioned earlier, the LSD provides better overall grip/traction during corner exit (most notably). And the results begin to show in more extreme comparisons such as C&D's Lightning Lap:

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/

Even on All-Seasons, the Si's mannerisms under extreme cornering are more predictable - thanks in part to its enhanced AHA in Sport Mode, tighter steering ratio, beefier jounce bumpers, and more heavily weighted feedback.

I suspect the Accord's ability to stop faster has more to do with the pad material chosen by Honda. Great for initial bite - not so much for fade resistance. For example, C&D went through a full set of front pads after a mere 10 laps at VIS.
One thing I am a bit curious about...why they did not include an LSD and slightly stiffer suspension (adjustable dampers) on the Accord Sport 2.0T Manual version. It in no way competes with either the Si or the CTR. In other words, Si drivers would not pick the Accord Sport over the Si and their upgrade path would most likely be a CTR. The Accord Sport is more for people hitting their 40's and my age (52) that needs a bigger more comfortable car with a bit of a performance edge
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One thing I am a bit curious about...why they did not include an LSD and slightly stiffer suspension (adjustable dampers) on the Accord Sport 2.0T Manual version. It in no way competes with either the Si or the CTR. In other words, Si drivers would not pick the Accord Sport over the Si and their upgrade path would most likely be a CTR. The Accord Sport is more for people hitting their 40's and my age (52) that needs a bigger more comfortable car with a bit of a performance edge
Throttle House on youtube says the Accord manual is a dud. They like the VW GLI better.
 

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Throttle House on youtube says the Accord manual is a dud. They like the VW GLI better.
Yes, Savagegeese also complained about the manual trans. He said it was very wobbly. I would only buy it in automatic
 
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Yes, Savagegeese also complained about the manual trans. He said it was very wobbly. I would only buy it in automatic
It's really fast with the 10AT. My coworker got one. Kept up with my Type R with a friendly competition off a light. Super responsive transmission too.
 

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I would still take the 6MT option all day long. Despite how it's characterized by reviewers, it's the same shifter as our Si's - just with longer throws. The Miata's shifter, by comparison, feels much more connected and weighted over the Accord/Civic's. But Honda's iteration is still quite good IMHO.
 


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Darn good info on the handling aspect but I personally wouldn't expect the Accord 2.0T to handle like the FK8R or even Si. The accord is more for us older folks who want some power and have children. Mid life crisis early stages.
 

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One thing I am a bit curious about...why they did not include an LSD and slightly stiffer suspension (adjustable dampers) on the Accord Sport 2.0T Manual version. It in no way competes with either the Si or the CTR. In other words, Si drivers would not pick the Accord Sport over the Si and their upgrade path would most likely be a CTR. The Accord Sport is more for people hitting their 40's and my age (52) that needs a bigger more comfortable car with a bit of a performance edge
I agree the Accord Sport, at least the 2.0 MT version, should have an LSD and adjustable dampers to make it like an Accord Si. As you said, it doesn't compete with the hot Civics and, just as importantly in the big picture, it doesn't compete with anything from Acura either, because they've completely dropped manual transmissions. Maybe the upcoming 2G TLX will be a real sport sedan, but it will undoubtedly cost much more than the Accord, so they still won't be true competitors. So I think the Accord Sport could be taken further, and enthusiasts who want the MT would probably be willing to pay a little extra for the LSD and adjustable dampers. I certainly would.

Nevertheless, I still think the Accord Sport qualifies as a sport sedan. I've driven both MT and 10AT versions, and they're great, with handling a lot like my 2G TSX and much more power. I had no complaints about the 6MT, and if I bought an Accord Sport I'd probably go that route. But I was surprised how much I liked the 10AT. It's a great match for the engine, and works extremely well.
 

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The Civic Si may have better handling feel, but when it comes to actual performance numbers there's virtually no difference according to Car and Driver instrumented testing. The Accord also stops faster.

2018 Accord Sport 2.0T 6MT
Zero to 60 mph: 6.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 15.3 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.0 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 10.8 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 7.6 sec
Standing ÂĽ-mile: 14.7 sec @ 98 mph
Top speed (gov limited): 125 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 164 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.87 g
*stability-control-inhibited

2017 Civic Si sedan
Zero to 60 mph: 6.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 16.6 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 33.9 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 13.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 8.9 sec
Standing ÂĽ-mile: 15.0 sec @ 95 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 137 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 176 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
Impressive! Very nice numbers by the Accord, even handling and braking! :)
 

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To be fair, roadholding is a small component of the total handling equation. As I mentioned earlier, the LSD provides better overall grip/traction during corner exit (most notably). And the results begin to show in more extreme comparisons such as C&D's Lightning Lap:

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/

Even on All-Seasons, the Si's mannerisms under extreme cornering are more predictable - thanks in part to its enhanced AHA in Sport Mode, tighter steering ratio, beefier jounce bumpers, and more heavily weighted feedback.

I suspect the Accord's ability to stop faster has more to do with the pad material chosen by Honda. Great for initial bite - not so much for fade resistance. I noticed that C&D went through a full set of front pads after a mere 10 laps at VIS.
The Si its way down on this VIR lap times. It would not be my weapon of choice for fast lap times, probably it would be fine just for some canyon carving spirited driving.
 

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I agree the Accord Sport, at least the 2.0 MT version, should have an LSD and adjustable dampers to make it like an Accord Si. As you said, it doesn't compete with the hot Civics and, just as importantly in the big picture, it doesn't compete with anything from Acura either, because they've completely dropped manual transmissions. Maybe the upcoming 2G TLX will be a real sport sedan, but it will undoubtedly cost much more than the Accord, so they still won't be true competitors. So I think the Accord Sport could be taken further, and enthusiasts who want the MT would probably be willing to pay a little extra for the LSD and adjustable dampers. I certainly would.

Nevertheless, I still think the Accord Sport qualifies as a sport sedan. I've driven both MT and 10AT versions, and they're great, with handling a lot like my 2G TSX and much more power. I had no complaints about the 6MT, and if I bought an Accord Sport I'd probably go that route. But I was surprised how much I liked the 10AT. It's a great match for the engine, and works extremely well.
the Accord Touring has adjustable dampers, it only needs eLSD, or at least a bigger rear swaybar and some DOT 4 brake fluid to perform better.
 


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I agree the Accord Sport, at least the 2.0 MT version, should have an LSD and adjustable dampers to make it like an Accord Si. As you said, it doesn't compete with the hot Civics and, just as importantly in the big picture, it doesn't compete with anything from Acura either, because they've completely dropped manual transmissions. Maybe the upcoming 2G TLX will be a real sport sedan, but it will undoubtedly cost much more than the Accord, so they still won't be true competitors. So I think the Accord Sport could be taken further, and enthusiasts who want the MT would probably be willing to pay a little extra for the LSD and adjustable dampers. I certainly would.

Nevertheless, I still think the Accord Sport qualifies as a sport sedan. I've driven both MT and 10AT versions, and they're great, with handling a lot like my 2G TSX and much more power. I had no complaints about the 6MT, and if I bought an Accord Sport I'd probably go that route. But I was surprised how much I liked the 10AT. It's a great match for the engine, and works extremely well.
Hopefully the 2024 Accord should come with eLSD, the Touring already has adjustable dampers.
 

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The Si its way down on this VIR lap times. It would not be my weapon of choice for fast lap times, probably it would be fine just for some canyon carving spirited driving.
It is four seconds faster than the 2.0T Accord. Which I think was the point.

Hopefully the 2024 Accord should come with eLSD, the Touring already has adjustable dampers.
It won’t come with eLSD. It won’t come with a mechanical LSD. The Accord is a fine car but Honda has never positioned it as a sport sedan and won’t be starting in the 11th generation.
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