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Complete newbie to purchasing rims. Did some research regarding rim sizes, brands, measurements, but a little confused still. Hoping for some extra insight or direction.


Few items that may help with input:

-2017 Hatchback EX (sonic grey pearl), keeping suspension stock.

-Live in Los Angeles, roads vary from smooth to bumpy as hell, depending on the area. My typical commute is a bit of both but also about 30 minutes of freeway driving @ 40mph to 60mph. No major potholes unless it ends up raining a centimeter, then it's pothole metropolis.

-Would like to focus on handling/grip rather than performance.

-Really set on bronze-ish rims just because of the car color.

-Budget: max ~$700 for just the rims.


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1. Looking into Avid1 AV6 rims in bronze. Either 17" or 18". I've read the main difference is the look and the ride roughness. Taking into consideration of the roads, would 17" make more sense? Or is the difference really negligible, pending tires?

2. whether 17" or 18" looking at widths of 8 or 8.5. From my understanding, the wider, the better handling but also depending on the width it opens up more tire options? Does it really make a difference between the two?

3. Tires: I am just lost. It seems tire specs really matter when dropping the car and having an aggressive offset, but when sticking to stock, not so much? The stock tires on my Civic Hatch seemed perfectly fine to me, would like to keep the same if possible, but taking into consideration the roads, what would be an okay size? My stock has the continentals (forgot the exact type though) that came with it.

4. If I were to purchase my rims and tires tomorrow, do i need anything else at all? Read I don't need any TPMS monitors. But what about anything else, like new lug nuts, center caps or I keep reading about center rings and just got so confused what would be actually needed to walk into a shop and have them installed.

5. Would it be dumb to pop my stock tires on new rims at this point? They have 35k on them, but still decent tread.

6. How much consideration should I take if I expect my car to be filled with 5 people? Would that affect any decisions I need to make for the rims or tires? Or is it a non-issue since keeping stock.

7. I've read Avid1 brand isn't the best quality, but decent for the price. If I were to take a 300 mile road trip in them, would the heat be a major issue? Should I look elsewhere?

8. Anything else I need to consider?

Appreciate any and all input on this for such a newbie!
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Following. I have similiar questions and I have the 2019 civic si sedan but I'm interested in dropping it 1.1'' sooooo yeeee thanks haha
 

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Aren't your stock wheels 18? If so I would stick with 18s and do 18x8. IMO that width is very flush with the fender. I have no poke, I don't plan on doing a camber kit with this car so I wanted the flush look. The 10th gen civics don't have origional TPMS sensors, I hate the new tpms system , I don't know how to explain it. If I were you I would get a stand alone tpms wireless sensor. That's what I use, because when I had a flat my car didn't notify me! The only way I found out was when I started to drive and I heard the flat tire sound lol! I wouldn't buy from a shop lol get your stuff off eBay! You'll save sooo much money!!!!
 

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Following. I have similiar questions and I have the 2019 civic si sedan but I'm interested in dropping it 1.1'' sooooo yeeee thanks haha
I just installed eibach pro kit and it gave it a nice drop and from what I read won't affect your shocks as bad as other springs since the drop isn't as significant.
 

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1. If you want to keep your speedometer to be as accurate as possible, keep it at 17". That said, you can up to 18" (or 19" if you wanted), but you have to reduce the sidewall thickness. Sport and Sport Touring is 18"; all other trims are 17". Typically, the thinner the sidewall (or larger the wheel size), the rougher the ride. Stock 18x8 comes with 235/40/18 tires.

2. 8" width (18 x 8" +50 offset) is what is stock on the Sport / Sport Touring / Si trims. You have plenty of options for both 8" and 8.5" .... 225 / 235 / 245. Both should give you a flush fit. Depending on your offset, 8.5" might poke out, but barely.

3. There is plenty of space in the wheel well before you start making contact with the suspension or the fender, so no need to worry on that -- especially with 17" or 18" at 8" or 85." width. I believe the stock tires are Continental Conti ProContacts. IMO, they are so-so all season tires. Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ is much, much better. Of course, you can always just run the stock tires to the ground before swapping them out. You won't be able to re-use the stock tires if you to up to 18" of course.

4. Yes, in 99% of cases, you will need hub ring adapters. Center bore for Civics are 64.1mm. Most aftermarket wheels are 73.1mm or 75mm.

5. See point #3. You can either use them until they need replacing, or swap them out...up to you. I usually go with the new wheels, new tires approach.

6. Should not have an impact.

7. Avid1 is not up there compared to Rays/Volk, Vossen, AVDAN, high-end Enkei wheels, etc, but they won't fall apart on you during the road trip or daily driving. In fact, no wheel should. If you drive into a 2-inch deep pothole, that's a different story. I think Avid1's are comparable to something the low-pressure cast wheels from XXR, Niche, Konig, etc.

8. I don't think so. You're open to a lot of options on stock suspension. Oh, as you go larger in size, and width, you have different "Face" types. It goes a little hand-in-hand with wheel size (diameter), width, and offset. F-face is mostly flat spoke design, while R-face is the concave spoke design. M-face is the in-between. F-face is the most common. Not many manufacturers show this info, you might need to ask the retailer, etc. For an example, Enkei's US site doesn't show this info, but their Japanese site DOES.


Aren't your stock wheels 18? If so I would stick with 18s and do 18x8. IMO that width is very flush with the fender. I have no poke, I don't plan on doing a camber kit with this car so I wanted the flush look. The 10th gen civics don't have origional TPMS sensors, I hate the new tpms system , I don't know how to explain it. If I were you I would get a stand alone tpms wireless sensor. That's what I use, because when I had a flat my car didn't notify me! The only way I found out was when I started to drive and I heard the flat tire sound lol! I wouldn't buy from a shop lol get your stuff off eBay! You'll save sooo much money!!!!
Civics don't use any TPMS.
It monitors the wheels' rotation speed; if one wheel is slower than the other (e.g. less air), it will trigger the tire pressure warning.
 
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1. If you want to keep your speedometer to be as accurate as possible, keep it at 17". That said, you can up to 18" (or 19" if you wanted), but you have to reduce the sidewall thickness. Sport and Sport Touring is 18"; all other trims are 17". Typically, the thinner the sidewall (or larger the wheel size), the rougher the ride. Stock 18x8 comes with 235/40/18 tires.

2. 8" width (18 x 8" +50 offset) is what is stock on the Sport / Sport Touring / Si trims. You have plenty of options for both 8" and 8.5" .... 225 / 235 / 245. Both should give you a flush fit. Depending on your offset, 8.5" might poke out, but barely.

3. There is plenty of space in the wheel well before you start making contact with the suspension or the fender, so no need to worry on that -- especially with 17" or 18" at 8" or 85." width. I believe the stock tires are Continental Conti ProContacts. IMO, they are so-so all season tires. Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ is much, much better. Of course, you can always just run the stock tires to the ground before swapping them out. You won't be able to re-use the stock tires if you to up to 18" of course.

4. Yes, in 99% of cases, you will need hub ring adapters. Center bore for Civics are 64.1mm. Most aftermarket wheels are 73.1mm or 75mm.

5. See point #3. You can either use them until they need replacing, or swap them out...up to you. I usually go with the new wheels, new tires approach.

6. Should not have an impact.

7. Avid1 is not up there compared to Rays/Volk, Vossen, AVDAN, high-end Enkei wheels, etc, but they won't fall apart on you during the road trip or daily driving. In fact, no wheel should. If you drive into a 2-inch deep pothole, that's a different story. I think Avid1's are comparable to something the low-pressure cast wheels from XXR, Niche, Konig, etc.

8. I don't think so. You're open to a lot of options on stock suspension. Oh, as you go larger in size, and width, you have different "Face" types. It goes a little hand-in-hand with wheel size (diameter), width, and offset. F-face is mostly flat spoke design, while R-face is the concave spoke design. M-face is the in-between. F-face is the most common. Not many manufacturers show this info, you might need to ask the retailer, etc. For an example, Enkei's US site doesn't show this info, but their Japanese site DOES.




Civics don't use any TPMS.
It monitors the wheels' rotation speed; if one wheel is slower than the other (e.g. less air), it will trigger the tire pressure warning.
Yea that shits garbage.
 

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EX stock is 17" wheels. I have an ex and stuck with 17" wheels. The "look" between 18 and 17 isn't that big of a difference but the comfort is. Also any time you're talking crappy roads having more side wall is better, there's more and more reports about how low pro tires are causing tons of blowouts.
 

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Yea that shits garbage.
Not sure if it was to cut costs or something on the Civics...but yeah...
Replacing a TPMS is costly, though...was about ~$100 per TPMS...had to replace two on my SUV last year, the valves were leaking air.
That said, they were off a 2010 Mitsubishi Out lander, so 8~9 years is fair.

I was recently looking around, and you can get those wireless bluetooth pressure sensor valve caps or something.
You just need to pair it with the smartphone app, and away you go.
 

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Not sure if it was to cut costs or something on the Civics...but yeah...
Replacing a TPMS is costly, though...was about ~$100 per TPMS...had to replace two on my SUV last year, the valves were leaking air.
That said, they were off a 2010 Mitsubishi Out lander, so 8~9 years is fair.

I was recently looking around, and you can get those wireless bluetooth pressure sensor valve caps or something.
You just need to pair it with the smartphone app, and away you go.
Yea that's what I have now and it's totally worth it!
 
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Awesome, thanks for the insight and sorry about the late reply. Just nervous about my first wheel purchase. ha
 
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Just wanted to chime in and say if you're looking at the Avid AV-06 wheels going for that 6 spoke look, to also take a look at the TRMotorsports C4 wheel (Tire Rack brand).

Both have that Volk TE-37 look (without the huge price tag). Given the budget you stated, just want you to get the best deal for the look you're going for. Good luck!
 
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So it seems the stock ex hatch wheels are 17x7. The ones I want to get are 17x8. So that means can't reuse the tires then, right?
 
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Just wanted to chime in and say if you're looking at the Avid AV-06 wheels going for that 6 spoke look, to also take a look at the TRMotorsports C4 wheel (Tire Rack brand).

Both have that Volk TE-37 look (without the huge price tag). Given the budget you stated, just want you to get the best deal for the look you're going for. Good luck!
I'll check em out! Thanks!
 
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I'm in
Complete newbie to purchasing rims. Did some research regarding rim sizes, brands, measurements, but a little confused still. Hoping for some extra insight or direction.


Few items that may help with input:

-2017 Hatchback EX (sonic grey pearl), keeping suspension stock.

-Live in Los Angeles, roads vary from smooth to bumpy as hell, depending on the area. My typical commute is a bit of both but also about 30 minutes of freeway driving @ 40mph to 60mph. No major potholes unless it ends up raining a centimeter, then it's pothole metropolis.

-Would like to focus on handling/grip rather than performance.

-Really set on bronze-ish rims just because of the car color.

-Budget: max ~$700 for just the rims.


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1. Looking into Avid1 AV6 rims in bronze. Either 17" or 18". I've read the main difference is the look and the ride roughness. Taking into consideration of the roads, would 17" make more sense? Or is the difference really negligible, pending tires?

2. whether 17" or 18" looking at widths of 8 or 8.5. From my understanding, the wider, the better handling but also depending on the width it opens up more tire options? Does it really make a difference between the two?

3. Tires: I am just lost. It seems tire specs really matter when dropping the car and having an aggressive offset, but when sticking to stock, not so much? The stock tires on my Civic Hatch seemed perfectly fine to me, would like to keep the same if possible, but taking into consideration the roads, what would be an okay size? My stock has the continentals (forgot the exact type though) that came with it.

4. If I were to purchase my rims and tires tomorrow, do i need anything else at all? Read I don't need any TPMS monitors. But what about anything else, like new lug nuts, center caps or I keep reading about center rings and just got so confused what would be actually needed to walk into a shop and have them installed.

5. Would it be dumb to pop my stock tires on new rims at this point? They have 35k on them, but still decent tread.

6. How much consideration should I take if I expect my car to be filled with 5 people? Would that affect any decisions I need to make for the rims or tires? Or is it a non-issue since keeping stock.

7. I've read Avid1 brand isn't the best quality, but decent for the price. If I were to take a 300 mile road trip in them, would the heat be a major issue? Should I look elsewhere?

8. Anything else I need to consider?

Appreciate any and all input on this for such a newbie!

I'm in a similar boat so just wanna thank you for asking these questions
 

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So it seems the stock ex hatch wheels are 17x7. The ones I want to get are 17x8. So that means can't reuse the tires then, right?
You can use the same tires. They will be just be stretched a tad.
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