Honda Sensing on the 2020 CTR

Good day,

Probably the main reason I am waiting to purchase the CTR is to get Honda Sensing Suite that is coming on the 2020 model. I have been using the safety features on a my horrid little 2018 FIT but that is an automatic tranny. I have a few questions about how it works with a manual. For example, if the Collision Mitigation Braking System activates, what happens if I am in high gear? I guess I would be worried that I would stall out, adding to the complexity of the emergency situation. I found a YouTube video about how the Adaptive Cruise Control works with manual transmission in a Honda accord, will post link below.

This is a great forum, when i make the actual purchase I will of course post pics or whatever. Still struggling on which dang color is best!!

Don't want to be disagreeable, but this would be a prime reason for me NOT to buy the 2020 if so equipped. I'm old and I feel that all the nannies(such as lane change alert, adaptive cruise, automatic braking and blind spot warning) are making drivers less attentive. Why should I stay alert and constantly be vigilant in reviewing driving surroundings when a nanny will tell me I have lost focus and about to make a driving error. I'm not against technology but safe driving is up to the driver and should not be left up to devices. I also get that most accidents are caused by driver errors/distracted drivers. I think distracted driving will get worse due to depending on the nannies. Just my opinion. Your choice.

From the owner's manual: it will stall for you.

Sounds scary to me. Like to drive my own car myself and take responsibility for doing so. This would definitely push me away from the car; glad mine is a 2018.

Godzilla1234 said:

It's funny you say that when statistics has shown that all these safety features has saved millions of accidents and most accidents that happens was when safety features was not activated or the car doesn't have them

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Bad drivers, not bad cars.

In a panic stop the CTR can stop from 60 mph in 100', not many cars can do that and surely that stop without clutch disengagement is going to stall the engine, does that mean no steering? I'd rather do it myself by being aware and keeping space both in front and in back of me and by having the control to take whatever evasive action I can.

Godzilla1234 said:

It's funny you say that when statistics has shown that all these safety features has saved millions of accidents and most accidents that happens was when safety features was not activated or the car doesn't have them

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Honestly I have never read anywhere that these features have saved millions of accidents. What is the source of your information?

for casual driving i will leave mine on when i get my 2020

getting rid of the 2018

Expect higher insurance premium on any car with sensing. For reference, my Fit with sensing costs $850/year but my CTR without the nannies costs $550/year. Both full coverage. My Miata, OTOH, costs just $160/year. I’m thinking of dumping one of the cars just because of this.

TypeSiR said:

Expect higher insurance premium on any car with sensing. For reference, my Fit with sensing costs $850/year but my CTR without the nannies costs $550/year. Both full coverage. My Miata, OTOH, costs just $160/year. I’m thinking of dumping one of the cars just because of this.

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WOWZA! What years are the Fit and Miata? Did your insurance person tell you the nannies are the difference in costs?

wildbilly32 said:

WOWZA! What years are the Fit and Miata? Did your insurance person tell you the nannies are the difference in costs?

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2018 Fit, 2016 Miata. Cars with nannies cost a lot more to repair (windshield, bumper, sensors, etc...) than cars without. It's technically safer with these sensors but insurance looks at it differently (repair costs).

Had the auto brake feature for 2 and a bit years now and I turned it off quickly. I had a couple of false alarms which unnerved me, slammed the anchors on when I knew what I was doing and was plenty of room. Turned off you still get the amber flashing and alarm on the dash which HAS helped for sure countless times...

Other features are great though. Doesn't make you lazy, makes u wanna stay ahead of intervention to be honest

People are hiding behind the nannies justifying why they shouldn't get a 2020 in their mind. They can all be switched off!!

Does Honda sensing include lanewatch?

The system is not invasive unless you regularly tailgate. (And then you come complaining here about stone chips and how $#%%y Honda paint is.)
And about engine stalling: let's get serious you have plenty of time to clutch-in to avoid stalling the engine. The big advantage is that it saves you time by applying brakes until you figure out that car in front significantly slowed down. You would follow anyway with brake+clutch. Just that your reaction is not that quick.

sean465 said:

Had the auto brake feature for 2 and a bit years now and I turned it off quickly. I had a couple of false alarms which unnerved me, slammed the anchors on when I knew what I was doing and was plenty of room. Turned off you still get the amber flashing and alarm on the dash which HAS helped for sure countless times...

Other features are great though. Doesn't make you lazy, makes u wanna stay ahead of intervention to be honest

People are hiding behind the nannies justifying why they shouldn't get a 2020 in their mind. They can all be switched off!!

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I did not get the false alarms still. For the rest I totally agree. Not invasive, does not make you lazy.

sLing said:

Does Honda sensing include lanewatch?

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EU version not. I don't know about other regions. We have "Blind Spot Information incl. Cross Traffic Monitor" which warns you(led in the lateral mirrors /sound) if there is a car on your left/right (including dead angle). It triggers in case you turn the steering wheel or use the blinker.

Lane assist: On highways with good visible marks it does fine. However on twisted B roads / roads with faded / water covered marks forget about lane assist, it fails miserably.
You can disable lane assist simple with a button on your left side (LHD cars). Car starts by default with lane assist OFF.

Useful sensing features(form my pov):
- the dead angle warning when changing lane(turn wheel or use lane signal) will get you an audio/visual alert that there is another car on R/L.
- when going in reverse and you can not see what happens(right/left) you get warned if there are moving objects/persons approaching from either direction. Imagine backing out from a parking place or from a yard and you cannot see if cars are coming on the street.
- parking sensors front-back are great they give you more precision peace of mind for tight spots.
- back-up camera while having a mediocre resolution is still good to orient yourself/see what's behind the car.
- high-beam assist is really great at night

Works fine on my Aus delivered 2019. Every few trips i'll get a lane departure warning flash up briefly (<1s) on the dash when i'm not departing the lane, due to dirty/worn/old/unusual road markings, but I've never had it actively intervene. I don't tailgate and drive like a douchebag around traffic which probably plays in to my perception of it not being intrusive.
Works better than my old man's Subaru Outback, which would false detect a lane departure or warn you that you're going to have a frontal collision when going thru a slip lane at speed, at least once every trip when driven in the same fashion.

You can easily turn each system off if they are causing too many false detections for you - the 'blank button' locations on base/US models become populated with dedicated buttons to turn off or adjust each system.

HondaFan2017 said:

Yes it does. On highways with good visible marks it does fine. However on twisted B roads / roads with faded / water covered marks forget about lane assist, it fails miserably.
You can disable lane assist simple with a button on your left side (LHD cars). Car starts by default with lane assist OFF.

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LaneWatch is the camera on the passenger side mirror and doesn't appear to be part of the Sensing package (although I think it is probably also installed on all cars with the sensing package). There is a list of features which fall under the "Honda Sensing" banner in the Australian brochure:
https://web-assets.cdn.dealersoluti...542/HOD2381_TypeR_Brochure_297x210_V8_WEB.pdf

Lane Keep Assist which is what you're describing, is.