1.5t vs2.0na

gtman said:

https://www.civicx.com/threads/faster-acceleration-cvt-myxal-two-step.16783/

Enjoy.

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I've been always doing a sort of two step since it revealed itself to me within some 2 months of ownership. CVT just doesn't like to be continuously and too quickly stepped on, in particular from a stop.
To get a smooth and competent acceleration without (or with much less) hesitation and delay, its much better to quickly "prime it" first. I never tried beating time records, but when I need to move decisively, I first touch it a bit (no mash needed) and then go again.

I'm not sure if this is programmed this way on purpose, but I'm pretty sure the CVT programming could be fixed so that this is not necessary.

Gruber said:

That's interesting. They did not program my car this way. I've never seen it "shifting", always goes smoothly.

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The only time it fake shifts is near red line when you go WOT. In normal driving, the CVT does not fake shift.

_dc_ said:

The only time it fake shifts is near red line when you go WOT. In normal driving, the CVT does not fake shift.

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Exactly. I'm aware that it might start shifting if taken to high revs all the way from a stop. But I never do that. When going WOT from highway speeds I've never seen it.

So I don't think Honda reacted to the complaining of those few owners who test their car's 0-60 times. When commuting, this will not kick in anyway, and those who don't like it will keep complaining. I believe they programmed it from the beginning to boast better acceleration timings.

silverrascal said:

The fake shifts are because CVT owners freaked out when the car didn't "shift". So Honda programmed theirs to do this.

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_dc_ said:

The only time it fake shifts is near red line when you go WOT. In normal driving, the CVT does not fake shift.

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Yes and maybe it’s just me but it seems like when it shifts the way it does, it kinda slows it down. It does shift as quick as a traditional automatic would. It’s almost like it hangs there for a second. I wish there was a way to remove the fake shifts. Just let the cvt do its job and get the most out of the engine. Because honestly I think a cvt is a great combo for a turbo engine, minus the fake shifts.

mvela said:

Yes and maybe it’s just me but it seems like when it shifts the way it does, it kinda slows it down. It does shift as quick as a traditional automatic would. It’s almost like it hangs there for a second. I wish there was a way to remove the fake shifts. Just let the cvt do its job and get the most out of the engine. Because honestly I think a cvt is a great combo for a turbo engine, minus the fake shifts.

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People talk about the CVT having fake "gears". They are just sort of specific rpm programming areas basically. But honestly, in normal driving you don't feel a specific shift point like you would in a traditional geared automatic. That only occurs (as others have mentioned) when you go WOT and approach redline.

As far as the actual Myxal two step, I don't use it. Though as Gruber mentioned, there is definitely less hesitation when you give the throttle a light blip before putting your foot into it. I think it helps speed up the somewhat slow CVT logic.

mvela... like I mentioned earlier, try L for your 1/4 mile runs. It will hang out at peak power the whole time.

gtman said:

People talk about the CVT having fake "gears". They are just sort of specific rpm programming areas basically. But honestly, in normal driving you don't feel a specific shift point like you would in a traditional geared automatic. That only occurs (as others have mentioned) when you go WOT and approach redline.

As far as the actual Myxal two step, I don't use it. Though as Gruber mentioned, there is definitely less hesitation when you give the throttle a light blip before putting your foot into it. I think it helps speed up the somewhat slow CVT logic.

mvela... like I mentioned earlier, try L for your 1/4 mile runs. It will hang out at peak power the whole time.

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Yeah I think that’s probably gonna give me the fastest 1/4 mile run.

Gruber said:

That's interesting. They did not program my car this way. I've never seen it "shifting", always goes smoothly.

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Yeah, it's mostly when you're accelerating toward redline. I think Honda calls it G-Design Shift for their CVTs.

Here's a vid on the tube. Watch around the 2:30 mark.

Michaelagilmore said:

Thanks, but after reading through that and experimenting on this myself, since I have paddle shifters, when in S mode, this 2-step would not be necessary. Using paddle shifters in S mode makes it act/feel real close to a manual.

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Have you tried to go S manual, from a stop in 1st gear and mash the pedal to 60 mph without touching paddles and then compare it to doing the same in S auto?

You guys are right. Light throttle blip, let off and floor it after will give it that surge. Works on N/A as well as turbo. Not recommending this but when I want to go full throttle, I actually put my car in 'L' gear. Doesn't matter if I'm going 5mph or 85mph. I put it in 'L', floor it and all hell breaks loose. It doesn't over-rev like a manual transmission would if you downshifted in to low of a gear. I don't drive like this all the time but I have been doing it a lot more often as of this past week. Even today on the highway.

Again, not recommending but I don't anticipate any transmission issues. Didn't have it in the Fit and don't in this vehicle. Works great! Paddle shifting need not apply. They can simply downshift. I absolutely HATE the CVT 'shifting'. It is so pointless in this vehicle and absolutely defeats the best part of the CVT transmission.

Feel free to test these things at a track or with a timing device. You may be pleasantly surprised at the results.
There's a reason why the CVT can run quicker 1/4 miles than a Type R. I ain't making Type R power or torque so it ain't the engine. It's got to be something else. Hrrmmm!

Myx said:

Paddle shifting need not apply. They can simply downshift. I absolutely HATE the CVT 'shifting'. It is so pointless in this vehicle and absolutely defeats the best part of the CVT transmission.

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What do you mean by "they can simply downshift"?

But I guess you are right: If you want top acceleration, any automatic discrete shifting of quasi-fixed gears only somewhere close to the redline will not beat the CVT. While as I understand, L is really the same thing as S-auto but maintaining even higher rpm. L is SS (Super Sport).

Gruber said:

Have you tried to go S manual, from a stop in 1st gear and mash the pedal to 60 mph without touching paddles and then compare it to doing the same in S auto?

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I have and feel it is faster for me when I control the shifts. Also helps from light to light in keeping the revs high like if you had a manual.