Si's have defective clutch?

Does your Si have a clutch that slips when its cold (first 5 10 min of driving after car has sat)?


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Stop flooring it in 6th gear, people!
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It seem that about 75% of the SI have good clutches and the rest
have defective ones...accordind to the survey, of course.
For my part, I drove more than 10K km with a lot of power especially torque
with the original clutch and it never slipped.
But as I read in this forum several guys who said that the original clutch
was shit, I ordered an FX 300 because here, there are no special parts
and I prefered anticipate.
I received the clutch around Feb 2018 , I had it installed in October even
if the original one didn' t slip. I expected to see my original disc completely
screwed up but it was still in very good condition, I had 13K km on the odometer.
I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
Good cluches or shit ?
 

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Stop flooring it in 6th gear, people!
You're right that it's not great for an engine to do that, but it was only enough throttle to get the turbo going in this case. Also, the best check for a worn clutch is to floor it in top gear and see if it slips. A car made this year with 6500 miles shouldn't be slipping the clutch with a bone stock engine no matter what I'm doing, within normal operating parameters, IMHO.
 


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....Let me see. I have been driving and racing manual trans cars for 30 years. Multiple Hondas, multiple nissans, several Porsches , Mazdas and an Audi or two. I indicated slip happening in higher gears under power, not while shifting. Not slipping during shift but when in same gear under acceleration from about 3000 to 5000 rpm. No tire slipping . I have driven sports cars over 120k miles on same clutch and I'm not abusive. Racing cars I know what clutch slip feels like. Nope clutches or slaves are a problem on 2017 Si. I bet there are more reports of this in future. And in fact clutches on both cars both first car I tested and now mine were slipping. Now have a couple more data points that point to real issue. Bet this pops up as bigger issue
The clutch doesn't hold the torque at 3000.
You can't just floor it from 3000 in 4th or 5th gear. You need to get those RPM's up.
Also, you shouldn't even be flooring it until the car is warm. Clutch has less torque handling capabilities when not at temp.
 

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When you see that hill coming up, downshift to 5th or 4th
So you're saying that in a brand new car, in cold weather, NOT cold engine, that if I give it gas in the wrong gear I should expect the clutch to slip? Sorry, that's insane. I shouldn't have to treat my car like a baby to avoid slipping a brand new clutch with a stock engine. My 18 year old (legal age!) Miata doesn't slip ever. My 1988 300zx never slipped. My 2007 Si never slipped. My 2016 Accord never slipped. I'm not riding the clutch. I'm not going full throttle in top gear. I'm going uphill at 45mph in 4th. With a warm engine in cold weather.
 

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So you're saying that in a brand new car, in cold weather, NOT cold engine, that if I give it gas in the wrong gear I should expect the clutch to slip? Sorry, that's insane. I shouldn't have to treat my car like a baby to avoid slipping a brand new clutch with a stock engine. My 18 year old (legal age!) Miata doesn't slip ever. My 1988 300zx never slipped. My 2007 Si never slipped. My 2016 Accord never slipped. I'm not riding the clutch. I'm not going full throttle in top gear. I'm going uphill at 45mph in 4th. With a warm engine in cold weather.
So you're saying you come up to a hill going 70 mph in your daily commute before the car warms up?

Sounds like there already is a problem with your clutch. Your clutch will see enough friction to be warm before the car is at operating temperature.

In my experience, I think the clutch is extra grabby when the car is cold.

Maybe you need to take a few laps around the block before heading out in the highway, idk? I live in glacier-paved flat Indiana. I don’t see big hills very often.
 

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So you're saying you come up to a hill going 70 mph in your daily commute before the car warms up?
Car is warmed up. Driving for 20 minutes by the time I'm on the freeway. Going 65, wanting to go 70? Give it a little gas in 6th. Hasn't been a problem until this cold weather. Now the clutch slips. Also on the way home, warm engine, slipping going up a hill at 45mph in 4th with a little gas. The exact situations you would use to test if your clutch is getting ready to fail by looking for slip... But it's a new car with a new clutch. So... Shouldn't be failing the "is my clutch getting ready to fail" test. Should it?
 


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Car is warmed up. Driving for 20 minutes by the time I'm on the freeway. Going 65, wanting to go 70? Give it a little gas in 6th. Hasn't been a problem until this cold weather. Now the clutch slips. Also on the way home, warm engine, slipping going up a hill at 45mph in 4th with a little gas. The exact situations you would use to test if your clutch is getting ready to fail by looking for slip... But it's a new car with a new clutch. So... Shouldn't be failing the "is my clutch getting ready to fail" test. Should it?
No, it shouldn’t be slipping
 

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When you see that hill coming up, downshift to 5th or 4th
Neither the car nor the owner's manual instructs you to do that. A properly-designed clutch should be capable of holding more torque than the stock vehicle provides with some safety margin. That's basic automotive engineering 101. :)
 

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Neither the car nor the owner's manual instructs you to do that. A properly-designed clutch should be capable of holding more torque than the stock vehicle provides with some safety margin. That's basic automotive engineering 101. :)
My car only began to slip after I went Flexfuel / FBO. This is an organic disc. You will notice that if you glaze it, it will slip very easily because the surface of the disc is slick, after some normal driving the glaze will wear and the clutch regains it's regular grabbing capabilities. Some days are worse than others, and it really all depends on how I've been driving. I won't slip at all if previous to me doing a very hard pull I was driving like a grandma (Wearing the clutch disc face under normal application) Although I agree the car should've came with a much stronger clutch, with a tune you're making nearly twice the torque and at dangerous RPMs like 2500-3000. It's no mystery why the clutch slips down low. If you don't keep your RPM up you're going to slip, plain and simple. The clutch is weak.
 

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I saw a comment about cruise control going up hill. Just because the manual does not specifically state you should downshift does not mean you just leave it in 6th gear at 60 MPH. This will put a strain on drivetrain, no matter what car you are driving. It is an over drive gear(under 1:1 ratio) it is not meant for accelerating. Use your spidey senses and down shift to 5th or 4th depending on speed and incline.
 

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Although I agree the car should've came with a much stronger clutch, with a tune you're making nearly twice the torque and at dangerous RPMs like 2500-3000. It's no mystery why the clutch slips down low. If you don't keep your RPM up you're going to slip, plain and simple. The clutch is weak.
No tune. Bone-stock Si 198 lb-ft.

I saw a comment about cruise control going up hill. Just because the manual does not specifically state you should downshift does not mean you just leave it in 6th gear at 60 MPH. This will put a strain on drivetrain, no matter what car you are driving. It is an over drive gear(under 1:1 ratio) it is not meant for accelerating. Use your spidey senses and down shift to 5th or 4th depending on speed and incline.
It's not great for an engine, sure, granted, but the clutch should not be letting go regardless of what gear you're in and what you're doing. Also, mine slips in 4th, too, so this is somewhat irrelevant.
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