BRZ trade in for Type R

Kevin29 · Nov 26, 2019

Yeah, i think the Type R is a different beast and so is the Si. I think if i was gonna have a 2nd car i would pick up a beater and keep the BRZ and build it more forced induction etc which i agree def affects longevity. , but for a dual purpose car the Si and Type R are better , especially the Si. The biggest difference atm for me is BRZ trade plus a some K cash for Si or BRZ trade in and Mucho Dinero for Type R. LOL i feel like the Type R is def a trade up and the Si more of a lateral trade with give and take ie more space/ less road feel/fun, better in snow/not as good in looks dept. etc.

NapalmEnema · Nov 26, 2019

Kevin29 said:
Yeah, i think the Type R is a different beast and so is the Si. I think if i was gonna have a 2nd car i would pick up a beater and keep the BRZ and build it more forced induction etc which i agree def affects longevity. , but for a dual purpose car the Si and Type R are better , especially the Si. The biggest difference atm for me is BRZ trade plus a some K cash for Si or BRZ trade in and Mucho Dinero for Type R. LOL i feel like the Type R is def a trade up and the Si more of a lateral trade with give and take ie more space/ less road feel/fun, better in snow/not as good in looks dept. etc.

I think you'd like the Si overall more than the BRZ even if you consider it a lateral trade. Just the turbo alone + utility I think you'd move on from the BRZ with a quickness.

It feels like your heart is set on a Type R - which is fine - I've lived that way my entire life.

Don't settle - save a bit and get to a place where you can reasonably get a slightly used or new Type R. If not, same thing for an Si. They are both great cars - I'd go test drive both, settle on which you are at home with- then shoot for that goal for the next 9-13 months.

Instant gratification is just that - short term. But if you work towards a long term goal and get what you truly want, whether it be the Si or the Type R - you'll be that much more happy and be able to keep it long term and not lose money switching into another car to make you happy short term.

Good luck my friend!

Deleted member 31314 · Nov 26, 2019

I have owned an FRS and a BRZ, and a bunch of other cars including a 400 hp Evo X. Hands down my favourite car is the Type R. It just does what it does so well and can go from track weapon to family hauler. I never thought I would be back in a FWD car let alone love this one so much. I will admit if it wasn’t for the family I might have stuck with the BRZ and just continue to tune it, but the CTR is awesome.

omar0123 · Nov 27, 2019

Go take a brz in stock form and do a 7:43 like the type r and then say its a better sports car brz is a corrolla in sport edition like the old celica

samji · Nov 27, 2019

omar0123 said:
Go take a brz in stock form and do a 7:43 like the type r and then say its a better sports car brz is a corrolla in sport edition like the old celica

I guess we have different definitions of what a sports car is then. Absolute quickest track times aren't the only metric I use to evaluate if a car is considered a sports car or not. The BMW M2/M4 both considered the cookie cutter sports cars by many enthusiasts is 12-14 seconds slower than the CTR on the nurgburgring. I don't think anybody considers those cars any less of a sports car than the CTR. For me at least, it encompasses how the chassis feels, sounds the engine makes and its playfulness at the limit. The CTR is really twitchy (going from understeer to oversteer) at the absolute limit. Also I feel as though the CTR makes too many sacrifices in the name of practicality (4 Doors, large size, hatch, etc). I think a true sports car doesn't make any of these compromises. A specialized tool if you will, where as the Type R is a swiss army knife. This is the reason why there is a "hot hatch" segment in the market, and not a sports hatch.

At the end of the day, we're just really debating semantics. The definition of what a sports car is may vary greatly between people, as different people have different priorities when it comes to owning cars.

OneSickFK8 · Nov 27, 2019

heavyD · Nov 27, 2019

samji said:
I guess we have different definitions of what a sports car is then. Absolute quickest track times aren't the only metric I use to evaluate if a car is considered a sports car or not. The BMW M2/M4 both considered the cookie cutter sports cars by many enthusiasts is 12-14 seconds slower than the CTR on the nurgburgring. I don't think anybody considers those cars any less of a sports car than the CTR. For me at least, it encompasses how the chassis feels, sounds the engine makes and its playfulness at the limit. The CTR is really twitchy (going from understeer to oversteer) at the absolute limit. Also I feel as though the CTR makes too many sacrifices in the name of practicality (4 Doors, large size, hatch, etc). I think a true sports car doesn't make any of these compromises. A specialized tool if you will, where as the Type R is a swiss army knife. This is the reason why there is a "hot hatch" segment in the market, and not a sports hatch.

At the end of the day, we're just really debating semantics. The definition of what a sports car is may vary greatly between people, as different people have different priorities when it comes to owning cars.

Nurburgring times are useless when comparing cars. We all know the CTR that ran that time was not a stock car. It you want to compare the track prowess of cars that roll off a regular assembly line, the C&D Lightning Lap is probably the best resource we have.

OneSickFK8 · Nov 27, 2019

heavyD said:
Nurburgring times are useless when comparing cars. We all know the CTR that ran that time was not a stock car. It you want to compare the track prowess of cars that roll off a regular assembly line, the C&D Lightning Lap is probably the best resource we have.

I mean it had no rear seats and what else...

TypeSiR · Nov 27, 2019

heavyD said:
Nurburgring times are useless when comparing cars. We all know the CTR that ran that time was not a stock car. It you want to compare the track prowess of cars that roll off a regular assembly line, the C&D Lightning Lap is probably the best resource we have.

In that case, the BRZ is 10 seconds behind the CTR. OTOH, the latest M2 Competition and all M4's are faster than the CTR on the Lightning Lap.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/

GeezR · Nov 28, 2019

The Type R IS track ready... for the first 3 laps. Read the endless threads here about overheating, reduced power, limp mode, camber problems, brake problems, excess tire wear, tread delamination etc., etc. It is a great street car, but is not ready for sustained track use. And it will take another $10K or more to fix its track short comings. I know most people don't track their Type R's so all of this is irrelevant to them. But, if you do harbor track day dreams, be prepared to be disappointed and challenged.

CivilciviC · Nov 28, 2019

GeezR said:
The Type R IS track ready... for the first 3 laps. Read the endless threads here about overheating, reduced power, limp mode, camber problems, brake problems, excess tire wear, tread delamination etc., etc. It is a great street car, but is not ready for sustained track use. And it will take another $10K or more to fix its track short comings. I know most people don't track their Type R's so all of this is irrelevant to them. But, if you do harbor track day dreams, be prepared to be disappointed and challenged.

There isn't a single car under 65k that is purpose track ready. Even top end Corvettes overheat at the track.

This car IS track built. But it is also daily driver built. Those are two separate trajectories that happen to overlap somewhere in the middle. Something has to give. That's not to say the car can't be improved upon- but every single car on the planet can be improved upon.

If it was a full on track ready race car, Honda would only sell a fraction of what they have sold to date. Lots of people DD their CTRs- and not everyone needs or wants aggressive camber, or bone rattling suspension settings, or...

And let's not forget some of the most common track cars- the Miata and FRS/brz. They both suck in stock form form. Yet they're all over the race tracks and they all need mods upon mods.

Not really sure what you're getting at.

FlexRex · Nov 28, 2019

I dunno about tracking a fwd car. Maybe if I could not get a rwd. Otherwise tracking a fwd is effectively starting w a handicap.

Miatas and frs are so popular cuz they are rwd and because they are light. That’s two +’s right there to start with. You can add a turbo if needed or wanted but you can’t make a fwd car into a rwd.

aldksgo · Nov 28, 2019

FlexRex said:
I dunno about tracking a fwd car. Maybe if I could not get a rwd. Otherwise tracking a fwd is effectively starting w a handicap.

Miatas and frs are so popular cuz they are rwd and because they are light. That’s two +’s right there to start with. You can add a turbo if needed or wanted but you can’t make a fwd car into a rwd.

Then you see gridlife time attack unlimited..

Honda Civic 10th gen BRZ trade in for Type R upload_2019-11-28_20-39-36

Definitely have to drive it differently.. but this result is interesting because at the highest tier FWD is still competitive

FlexRex · Nov 28, 2019

@aldksgo .. are you suggesting that is because it’s a fwd?

aldksgo · Nov 28, 2019

FlexRex said:
@aldksgo .. are you suggesting that is because it’s a fwd?

No I'm saying FWD can be competitive and is not automatically a writeoff due to FWD/RWD/AWD since you said this, "Otherwise tracking a fwd is effectively starting w a handicap."

Besides, this thread is comparing two completely different cars not even in the same class. Like others suggested, better comparing to the SI/GTI/ST

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