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I am driving a 2019 Civic Si. I have a feeling that my car is not performing well. I drove 5000 mile on my current oil (Mobil 1 extended performance). I have a question about clutch. How can I test a clutch is slipping on a turbo charged car. I have experience with naturally aspirated engines where the RPM jumps if a clutch slips. I wanted to confirm if it's tires or clutch or just engine behavior
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I am driving a 2019 Civic Si. I have a feeling that my car is not performing well. I drove 5000 mile on my current oil (Mobil 1 extended performance). I have a question about clutch. How can I test a clutch is slipping on a turbo charged car. I have experience with naturally aspirated engines where the RPM jumps if a clutch slips. I wanted to confirm if it's tires or clutch or just engine behavior
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From experience: I always thought that feeling of loosing power was possibly from the clutch slipping. I am not sure if there is mild slippage or aggressive slippage. A week or so ago, I really felt my stock clutch slip. You will deff know it when it happens. The engine revs loud like you are mashing the gas while parked and your car doesn't accelerate as expected. I used to have a lot of mild loss in acceleration (before I replaced my clutch) but I think that was possibly heat soak or maybe it was the clutch not quite grabbing the power good enough....? There is a lot of this experience on this so maybe more people will chime in.
 
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From experience: I always thought that feeling of loosing power was possibly from the clutch slipping. I am not sure if there is mild slippage or aggressive slippage. A week or so ago, I really felt my stock clutch slip. You will deff know it when it happens. The engine revs loud like you are mashing the gas while parked and your car doesn't accelerate as expected. I used to have a lot of mild loss in acceleration (before I replaced my clutch) but I think that was possibly heat soak or maybe it was the clutch not quite grabbing the power good enough....? There is a lot of this experience on this so maybe more people will chime in.
Can heatsoak cause performance issues? My car will sit in the California sun for 8hrs when parked at work. Today the temp was hovering around 80f
 

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High RPM shifts are a good test.
 
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High RPM shifts are a good test.
What do you mean by high rpm shift. Do you mean I should shit at the shift light point and check? What should I check at that point
 


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What do you mean by high rpm shift. Do you mean I should shit at the shift light point and check? What should I check at that point
I mean you up shift at close to redline and if your RPMs don't drop immediately when you release the clutch pedal, your clutch is slipping.

To rule out traction issues, chose a higher gear to test.
 
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I mean you up shift at close to redline and if your RPMs don't drop immediately when you release the clutch pedal, your clutch is slipping.

To rule out traction issues, chose a higher gear to test.
Ok will check on freeway and post update thanks
 

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I mean you up shift at close to redline and if your RPMs don't drop immediately when you release the clutch pedal, your clutch is slipping.

To rule out traction issues, chose a higher gear to test.
they don't drop immediately in this car...it has rev hang programmed in.
 

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I am driving a 2019 Civic Si. I have a feeling that my car is not performing well. I drove 5000 mile on my current oil (Mobil 1 extended performance). I have a question about clutch. How can I test a clutch is slipping on a turbo charged car. I have experience with naturally aspirated engines where the RPM jumps if a clutch slips. I wanted to confirm if it's tires or clutch or just engine behavior
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It should be pretty obvious if your clutch is slipping. The RPMs will increase and your speed will not, or will climb much slower compared to rpm. Get into 5th or 6th gear at about 1900 to 2000 rpm, then go wide open throttle...all the way to the floor. If your clutch is slipping, your rpms will rise quicker than your speed. You can try it at 3000 rpm too in 5th or 6th, but the car will probably just accelerate which is why I figure 2k rpm would exaggerate slippage.
 


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It should be pretty obvious if your clutch is slipping. The RPMs will increase and your speed will not, or will climb much slower compared to rpm. Get into 5th or 6th gear at about 1900 to 2000 rpm, then go wide open throttle...all the way to the floor. If your clutch is slipping, your rpms will rise quicker than your speed. You can try it at 3000 rpm too in 5th or 6th, but the car will probably just accelerate which is why I figure 2k rpm would exaggerate slippage.
I can strike off the clutch slipping thing may be it's just heat soak. I just tested it with quick drop in rpm from 6500 when up shifting and also WOT at top gear from 2500 rpm. No issues with respect to transmission

Thanks guys for your input
 
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Can you run a datalog? If so, just do the math and see if wheel speed = calculated speed.
Sorry, I don't have a data logger. I have a very basic Chinese obd scanner
 

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What does the car "not performing well" actually mean to you? Could just be that you've gotten use to how it drives so you no longer find it as quick. Hard to determine what is happening but if you don't already maybe you should try getting ktuner. Not only does it wake up the car and really make a huge difference, you have the benefit of being able to see when your car might be heatsoaked, when it is pulling timing, etc....
 
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What does the car "not performing well" actually mean to you? Could just be that you've gotten use to how it drives so you no longer find it as quick. Hard to determine what is happening but if you don't already maybe you should try getting ktuner. Not only does it wake up the car and really make a huge difference, you have the benefit of being able to see when your car might be heatsoaked, when it is pulling timing, etc....
Yes, I ordered it and cancelled in few hours as I saw somewhere that Honda can find if you reflash ecu with some kind of counter in the ECU
 

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If you want to fully rely on the warranty, then why bother trying to troubleshoot anything yourself then. Just take it to Honda if you have proof that there is a serious problem.
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