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really? weird, they had an engineer come out and found nothing on my ECU. Personal experience with facts over unproven fear mongering. but yeah, if you are scared dont do anything. be boring and dull and drive your stock car.
That is the same as saying I have sex with random people without preservatives and never got any STD.
It’s not a lie, it’s a fact. Where the hell do some of you get your information?
As simple as blowing up your engine and no code for the event was stored on the ECU.
That ladies and gentlemen is more than enough to tell that you were tampering with the ECU.
Seeing it before.

Moving across forums since the 90s. I had seen so many things that none of you would believe it.
 
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That is the same as saying I have sex with random people without preservatives and never got any STD.


As simple as blowing up your engine and no code for the event was stored on the ECU.
That ladies and gentlemen is more than enough to tell that you were tampering with the ECU.
Seeing it before.
Sodium Benzoate? Sodium Nitrate?
 

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That is the same as saying I have sex with random people without preservatives and never got any STD.


As simple as blowing up your engine and no code for the event was stored on the ECU.
That ladies and gentlemen is more than enough to tell that you were tampering with the ECU.
Seeing it before.

Moving across forums since the 90s. I had seen so many things that none of you would believe it.
ive asked many "techs" across many civic forums over the years to produce factual evidence that they can see a car has been tuned. You know how many came back with proof? 0, again that is ZERO. Its always, "my boss said we can" or "the service manager said so" WOW they told you that, I wonder why. If you look at an HDS all you see is a software version. If you are on the correct factory software that honda shows your car should have they have no PROOF. they have circumstantial evidence but no proof. The few who got busted on here, never flashed stock, or ran the other tuner or had over rev codes.
 

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ive asked many "techs" across many civic forums over the years to produce factual evidence that they can see a car has been tuned. You know how many came back with proof? 0, again that is ZERO. Its always, "my boss said we can" or "the service manager said so" WOW they told you that, I wonder why. If you look at an HDS all you see is a software version. If you are on the correct factory software that honda shows your car should have they have no PROOF. they have circumstantial evidence but no proof. The few who got busted on here, never flashed stock, or ran the other tuner or had over rev codes.
Let me ask one simple question.
Does KTuner or Hondata take full responsibility if a car gets a warranty service denial even after restoring the stock firmware?

I wonder what is the reason ... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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Let me ask one simple question.
Does KTuner or Hondata take full responsibility if a car gets a warranty service denial even after restoring the stock firmware?

I wonder what is the reason ... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
This is the dumbest effing comment ever. Dealers are shady as shit why would any company do that? :thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 

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why would any company do that? :thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::banghead::banghead::banghead:
So the answer to my question is no.

Thank you sir.

If restoring to stock was so foolproof they will promote their products as 100% undetectable. They dont. The chance still there.
You are too blind to admit it. But hey Im the dumb one.
 
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So the answer to my question is no.

Thank you sir.

If restoring to stock was so foolproof they will promote their products as 100% undetectable. They dont. The chance still there.
You are too blind to admit it. But hey Im the dumb one.
so you're just another dude with no proof of anything, just a lot of words about things you know nothing about or have no experience with. got it.
 

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You can flash back to stock with ktuner and Honda will have no idea. However, the people who are scared and worried about warranties should leave their cars stock. I’ve voided the warranty on every car I’ve ever owned.
I don't believe that is true. Yes, you can flash back to stock and a prospective buyer might not know the difference, but Honda can tell. I been led to believe that once it's unlocked, Honda can always tell. Perhaps someone from Hondata or KTuner can clarify this for us.

I understand your final point. I had FlashPro for my 2015 Si immediately. But, that was a far more established platform, being a revised 8th gen at the core with .2 liters more displacement. Everyone knew the capabilities. Vit immediately raised the redline to 7600 because he knew exactly what that engine could handle safely due to many years and tens of thousands of mods world-wide. All the tuners knew that the bone stock K24 engine could handle around 350~WHP reliably; keep it around 330-340WHP and they can run their entire lifespan if maintained properly. The CTR is only in it's third year with around 26K produced total. I don't know if the new K20C1 can handle 330-340WHP reliably, though it'll take something like the upcoming (I hope!) PRL turbo mod to get there, so not much to worry about right now.

As wonderful as my car is, I don' t have as much faith in it as I did the Si, so I am indeed less willing to kill off my powertrain warranty. I'm not surprised if others feel the same. Much respect for your fearless nature. I wish that I could feel that way. I have too many financial responsibilities right now to risk having to purchase a new powerplant.
 

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you dont have to unlock anything unless you have an R. If you flash stock, at least with Ktuner honda can not tell. All the HDS sees is current software version and any stored cels and snapshots. buuuuuuuuuuuuuut, when you flash stock on Ktuner it erases those codes and snapshots so there is no trail. Why would any tuner offer you a warranty, once its in your hands you could do anything you wanted with the tunes and mess up your powertrain.
First, I believe that we are talking about the Type R and that is the only platform I was referring to. I have a 2015 Si that's been flashed with FlashPro since it was weeks old. I'm familiar with how things work. Second, I never suggested in any way that any tuner should offer a warranty, nor that I expected them to or suggested that they should. It's like people go out of their way to take comments our of context. My message was exactly that: no tuner or tuning software is going to warranty my car (Civic Type R, the only car applicable), so if I jailbreak it, I have no warranty. I've seen numerous posts reporting the same thing, folks that they didn't want to lose the PT warranty.

My resultant pint: Therefore, the piggy-back tuning method is not pointless. It was a response to one, individual post.

That's it.
 


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So JB4 offers a powertrain warranty, if any engine/transmission parts become damaged after installation of the piggyback (That increases hp/torque)?
Negative. Jeez, ever comment is either taking my comments out of context or...I don't know what this is.

No, neither the JB4 nor the other similar unit on the market provide a warranty. Never suggested that they did. However, they can be removed in an undetectable manner. They make no permanent changes to the automobile, nor any change whatsoever to the ECU. Hence, piggy-back. Also hence, if something breaks, you remove the piggy-back and still have factory warranty.

I also believe that they operate by presets. I'm not certain about the JB4, but the other unit does not allow the user to go crazy with stupid settings that might do damage. There are simply 4-presets, none of which are even as hot as some of the pre-established flashes available from Hondata or KTuner. Since they aren't as hot, seems less likely that they'll break something.

Personally, once I feel comfortable with the reliability of the K20C1, I'd rather crack and FlashPro, But, I also believe that for some, the piggy-back tuners maybe the way to go.
 

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True, even with a piggyback Honda can detect it.
My understanding from a user of...not the JB4, but the other one, is that if completely removed, it is completely undetectable as long as the battery is disconnected to remove power from the ECU. Do you know otherwise? I'd be very interested to know!
 

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That's the thing about this thread and posts though. You don't have to believe anything. There are actually people here telling everyone their thoughts on the product but what they actually are experiencing is getting dismissed by some. They like it and are saying it works well. And aren't having any problems from it (Will re-read the thread again). Period!
 

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I've had a JB4 on my Si since February of this year (roughly 10.5k miles with it on), running their Map 7 (+9 psi, E30) daily almost exclusively since that map released (about a month after I got it).

Runs great, no problems. Doesn't do near as much stuff as a flash tune does, but for what it is, I dig it.
 

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i have been running JB4 on my Audi A3 1.8T since 2 n half years and flashpro on civic 1.5T from last year, both are great and i really like JB4 as its easy to change maps even on the fly. If the jb4 would have release sooner i would have bought it as its almost half the price of flashpro.
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