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25/26 psi daily, 30k miles on engine, OTS tuned far more than half of that.

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You are missing the point.

You dont see driver mod blowing up non tuned civics. No one is saying that it is just the tune. But it doesn’t happen unless you tune. On top of that, what %ge of people tune to drive slow/conservative? I for sure didnt tune to then not push the car.
I can agree with this. I think it’s kind of about balance the more power you throw at your car the more responsible you should be with it, and I don’t mean that you should always drive slow. Just that a stock civic may not receive too much damage at wot during a cold start but a fbo e40 civic going wot before the car is fully warmed is definitely dangerous.
 

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Literally every single one of these blown engine threads the car had been tuned....

So of course the reason why these engines blew had nothing to do with the tune. Thats mind blowing logic right there!

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In all fairness, Pookie's been pushing beyond the limits of reliability on stock internals for some time now. He has a ton of kills under his belt to prove it too. It was bound to happen from a bad tune or just the sheer amount of power being forced thru that tiny little motor. Sooner or later. If I recall, he was pushing 340lbs+ of tq or something like that.

From observation, it seems like the TSP stage 1 map 2 is about as high as you can go with this car on stock internals. Map 3 brings it up to around 280lbs which is risky
 

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I really don't understand the tuning freak out.

It seems the most logical and rational thing is to state that abusive driving + too much torque wrecks these engines.

Doesn't really matter where that extra torque comes from. You could blame meth, tune, bolt one, hell blame the PRL sticker (doesn't that add 3 by itself).

Most of us are not engineers, we have no way to reliably put together what is safe for the overall system, we only have what Honda put together. It is not part companies responsibility to save people from their own stupidity or ignorance.
 

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Rebuild the thing with stronger internals and throw a W1 turbo on there. If you have the cash and want to go fast :thumbsup:
 


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My perspective on this blow engines is, this generation of engines for the civic Si just wasent made to be a performance and strong one" like B, k, and shit even D series due to a new king in throne "CTR" so honda decide to upgrade handling aspects to separete de Si from the rest of the trims keeping the 1.5 relatively similar in the segment, and whiout being a profecional mec or tuner we can agree that the 10gen Si can't hold the strees of high torque for a long period of time. PD to the guy that say civic's are not performance cars i dont know if his tracking or he his to young to recap history but civics are a popular choice for tuner for years, were do you think the hate for the honda community born if it wasent for a civic smoking V8
 

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One final point to touch on. FlexRex says few if any members tune and drive conservatively. I can't speak to the Si crowd but many of my peers with the base model like me were just looking for a bit more passing power in their cars. This is not me guessing here. A ton of members have PM'ed me telling me this. Even Micah who has an Si mostly drives conservatively and often mentions his amazing mpgs.

Plus, Derek Robinson tuned the TSP CVT version to be very mild down low in terms of throttle response and torque.

Yes, having a tune exacerbates issues combined with aggressive or abusive driving habits. My contention is that the KTuner and Hondata maps are conservative but clearly the owner has to understand the inherent risks and has to respect the additional power.
 
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I don’t think this failure was tune or driver mod related. I think all these failures are engine oil related ;) .This thread is full of half truths and speculation anyways... I think we should turn it into an oil thread... or even an oil filter thread. I’m willing to wager that all these failures didn’t occur on Honda oil changed by the dealer....:headbang:
 

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I don’t think this failure was tune or driver mod related. I think all these failures are engine oil related ;) .This thread is full of half truths and speculation anyways... I think we should turn it into an oil thread... or even an oil filter thread. I’m willing to wager that all these failures didn’t occur on Honda oil changed by the dealer....:headbang:
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I don’t think this failure was tune or driver mod related. I think all these failures are engine oil related ;) .This thread is full of half truths and speculation anyways... I think we should turn it into an oil thread... or even an oil filter thread. I’m willing to wager that all these failures didn’t occur on Honda oil changed by the dealer....:headbang:
No I would disagree. I don't want to get into another oil argument, but Kshawn stated he used 0W30 and he threw his rod. My last two oil changes I sent for analysis, and after 7k miles of very hard driving on TSP stage 1 tune using 0W20, oil was 100 percent perfect and could have gone another few thousand miles. Unless oil was not changed during the proper interval, oil was not the issue
 

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I have almost 70,000km on my car and 60k have been tuned. I beat on my car daily. I'm just cautious of where my revs are at before going WOT and I always make sure I'm in the appropriate gear. Keep up to date with oil changes - preferably before the maintenance minder.

I know the OP was hard on his car and read that he was tuning issues for awhile. Unfortunately he learned the hard way about racing with messed up fuel trims and such. I still think it comes down to the driver and maintenance 99% of time.

Heck, I had a stage 2 Subaru STI that I had for 300,000km on the stock motor still going strong before I sold it. For anyone who knows Subaru, those EJs are ticking time bombs yet with proper maintenance and not abusing it I managed to to push it that far. I beat on it daily as well, but I'm not trying to hit full boost at low rpm in a higher gear.
 

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No I would disagree. I don't want to get into another oil argument, but Kshawn stated he used 0W30 and he threw his rod. My last two oil changes I sent for analysis, and after 7k miles of very hard driving on TSP stage 1 tune using 0W20, oil was 100 percent perfect and could have gone another few thousand miles. Unless oil was not changed during the proper interval, oil was not the issue
Wow, still no sense of Canadian humour amirza? I even put winks ;) and hell ya :headbang:
 

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Wow, still no sense of Canadian humour amirza? I even put winks ;) and hell ya :headbang:
Don't worry, I catch on fast! Canadian humor (or humour as you guys spell it)...
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