Andruboine
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- First Name
- Andrew
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- Mar 20, 2019
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- Chicago, illinois
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- 2018 Honda Civic Type R
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thank you for the explanation and the advice!Starting in gear wasn't the safety risk I was talking about... there's legitimate safety reasons as to why PTS vehicles almost always kill the engine upon opening a door and always do so upon opening the hood. It's one thing for a single user to bypass these safety issues, but another thing entirely for it to be done en masse.
It's not even remotely that simple... I'd be asking Fortin to fork over their data showing actual evidence the encryption keys are still being passed between the key fob and BCM when takeover occurs and aren't simply being emulated (which is how the vehicle initially remote starts). If they refuse, don't trust it - it's that simple, as there is a very real risk of having the vehicle stolen at that point... There's a reason it isn't possible to clone Civic's key fobs and a reason why it is possible to perform relay attacks on Teslas and Mercedes - they consciously chose to skimp on security.
- Provided you're aware of the risks and pros & cons, it's your car. Something to keep in mind though is if the vehicle is ever stolen, any mediocre insurance adjuster is going to question how a vehicle with a thus-far unhackable spread spectrum encrypted key exchange allowed for the vehicle to be stolen, and why it hasn't been seen before
- i.e. what modifications were done to the vehicle and is the non-standard modification reason enough to deny the insurance claim - there's a 50 / 50 chance an adjuster would view such a modification as at-fault by the insured and refuse coverage.
- If the minor inconvenience of 5 -10s of the vehicle shutting down, waiting for the dash to turn completely off, and then starting it is worth the potential of a $37k+ loss, by all means. For me personally, that's too large a risk for what I view [to me] as an insignificant inconvenience... but we all view risks differently, with one being no more right than the other.
There are only two wires that need to be bypassed, which I provided in this post, however here's my GitHub link, which has the most current version (see page 4).
- Provide a [GitHub] copy to your installer and they'll be able to get you up and running without the DTCs thrown by not bypassing the VSA Modulator Control Unit.
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