Type R Remote Start Install issue

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Starting in gear wasn't the safety risk I was talking about... there's legitimate safety reasons as to why PTS vehicles almost always kill the engine upon opening a door and always do so upon opening the hood. It's one thing for a single user to bypass these safety issues, but another thing entirely for it to be done en masse.


It's not even remotely that simple... I'd be asking Fortin to fork over their data showing actual evidence the encryption keys are still being passed between the key fob and BCM when takeover occurs and aren't simply being emulated (which is how the vehicle initially remote starts). If they refuse, don't trust it - it's that simple, as there is a very real risk of having the vehicle stolen at that point... There's a reason it isn't possible to clone Civic's key fobs and a reason why it is possible to perform relay attacks on Teslas and Mercedes - they consciously chose to skimp on security.
  • Provided you're aware of the risks and pros & cons, it's your car. Something to keep in mind though is if the vehicle is ever stolen, any mediocre insurance adjuster is going to question how a vehicle with a thus-far unhackable spread spectrum encrypted key exchange allowed for the vehicle to be stolen, and why it hasn't been seen before
    • i.e. what modifications were done to the vehicle and is the non-standard modification reason enough to deny the insurance claim - there's a 50 / 50 chance an adjuster would view such a modification as at-fault by the insured and refuse coverage.

  • If the minor inconvenience of 5 -10s of the vehicle shutting down, waiting for the dash to turn completely off, and then starting it is worth the potential of a $37k+ loss, by all means. For me personally, that's too large a risk for what I view [to me] as an insignificant inconvenience... but we all view risks differently, with one being no more right than the other.

There are only two wires that need to be bypassed, which I provided in this post, however here's my GitHub link, which has the most current version (see page 4).
  • Provide a [GitHub] copy to your installer and they'll be able to get you up and running without the DTCs thrown by not bypassing the VSA Modulator Control Unit.
thank you for the explanation and the advice!
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Any update on this? I recently got a compustar remote starter/alarm installed on my R, it works but the installer told me he went the "non-traditional" route after he installed it. Not sure what he meant by that. I'm trying to see if any other R owner had the same issue with their installer having an issue. I will show my installer @JW0914 image/link but it won't be until another week or so.
 

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Any update on this? I recently got a compustar remote starter/alarm installed on my R, it works but the installer told me he went the "non-traditional" route after he installed it. Not sure what he meant by that. I'm trying to see if any other R owner had the same issue with their installer having an issue. I will show my installer @JW0914 image/link but it won't be until another week or so.
I updated the install PDF on my GitHub, as it's easier to maintain that than editing my original reply on forums, and I also have all FK8 related docs and schematics for the install on there as well.

I did come across someone who tapped the CPSS wire (which I assume is the bypass being referred to) at it's connector, however it's more convenient to find the wire in the main bundle that exits the firewall on the driver's side.
 

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I updated the install PDF on my GitHub, as it's easier to maintain that than editing my original reply on forums, and I also have all FK8 related docs and schematics for the install on there as well.

I did come across someone who tapped the CPSS wire (which I assume is the bypass being referred to) at it's connector, however it's more convenient to find the wire in the main bundle that exits the firewall on the driver's side.
Thank you! I will tell my installer that.
 

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Just wanted to chime in here and say that I don’t have the Viper, but I do have Fortin installed. Works perfectly on my manual Si. You do have to tap into the clutch wire and there’s a manual setting and sequence that has to be done as well. I tapped this wire directly at the connector at the switch. I know this doesn’t help you directly with a Viper unit. Just know it definitely is possible to get one working on it though.
 


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Just wanted to chime in here and say that I don’t have the Viper, but I do have Fortin installed. Works perfectly on my manual Si. You do have to tap into the clutch wire and there’s a manual setting and sequence that has to be done as well. I tapped this wire directly at the connector at the switch. I know this doesn’t help you directly with a Viper unit. Just know it definitely is possible to get one working on it though.
I have a Compustar set up. It works but it doesn't display the temp and doesn't show a timer for the remote start on the key fob.
 

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I have a Compustar set up. It works but it doesn't display the temp and doesn't show a timer for the remote start on the key fob.
If it's not showing the temp on the remote, the thermistor is likely not plugged into the brain, however it could also be the remote is defective since it's also not displaying a countdown. The thermistor is easy to check if you know where the brain was installed to, as it's about 3" long, but if it's the remote, it has to be RA'd via a dealer.
 

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I'm happy to say that I figured out all the quirks. There wasn't alot of info out there and few guys got this working right but I got it all figured out. Will be offering this service by appointment only on weekends. PM me for info/details. Took me two whole days of back and forthing with other techs and tech supports "guesses".

I'll be offering remote start/security. Only 2 wires will be physically cut into on the vehicle, everything else will be plug and play.
 
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...I got it all figured out. Will be offering this service by appointment only on weekends. PM me for info/details. Took me two whole days of back and forthing with other techs and tech supports "guesses".

I'll be offering viper remote start/security. Only 2 wires will be physically cut into on the vehicle, everything else will be plug and play.
Are you a DEI dealer?

There's only one thing on the CTR that's different than a non-CTR install, which is the CPSS wire must be broken during crank (it requires three wires to be cut, not two: starter [UH FB Relay Bank A2], ignition [BCM F2], and CPSS [firewall bundle exiting driver's side])
 
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I used to work for one full time for years (even got myself a trial ds4 unit). I work at another DEI dealer part time now.
 

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I used to work for one full time for years (even got myself a trial ds4 unit). I work at another DEI dealer part time now.
Will you be doing this on your own time or at your job, as I'm assuming DEI wouldn't warranty the work if it's not done by a dealer, with a receipt showing it installed by a dealer?
 

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I'm fully aware of directeds warranty policies and I warranty all my work and products whether it's directed, firstech or any other non remote start related products. I do not aquire my equipment on Amazon lol
 

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I'm fully aware of directeds warranty policies and I warranty all my work and products whether it's directed, firstech or any other non remote start related products. I do not aquire my equipment on Amazon lol
It's not about whether you warranty your personal work, it's whether the equipment warranty is still intact if you're installing them outside your work, something you should be aware of if you install FirsTech, as it must be installed by a dealer to be warrantable, and I was asking whether DEI does the same (e.g. a vehicle with a CompuStar brain installed by a dealer in FL can go to a dealer in AK and still get warrantable tech support and service free of charge). If the DEI warranty requires installation by a dealer, that's something you're going to want to ensure folks know before having you install it, as that would be an important fact most would likely want to be aware of.
  • Just as I informed everyone when I uploaded my custom CompuStar Alarm and Remote start install instructions (linked six posts up from your first post), anyone with basic soldering skills and a multimeter can install it, however you lose the lifetime warranty on the brain, wiring, and install if it's not done by a dealer.
If you're familiar with FirsTech, why are you installing DEI products, when CompuStar has been top in the industry for the better part of two decades? The CompuStar 7000 brains (Alarm and Remote Start) are more akin to an Arduino since they can control anything in the vehicle that operates off normal analog voltage via programmable output/input connectors [POCs/PICs].
 
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Brands are preference. I've installed both on same vehicles. Some people don't want to hear anything other than viper, others aren't happy paying the viper price tag. I personally went with viper because the DC3 didn't appear to have a firmware at the time of install. Also, the Pro series remote I wanted was on backorder from my distributor. Viper was readily available. I personally prefer the DC3 over the DS4. Whether firstech has triumphed over directed is irrelevant. They both work, they are both Stand up products backed by good companies.

I'm not sure what you were here to accomplish. If it's credit you want for your succession prior to mine, you can have it. If your here to argue, I'm not interested. Not everyone is mechanicaly inclined and I have come across many who are and can't trace a draw or broken wire. Schematics look like Chinese writing. While you posted information that could help not everyone is knowledgeable or brave enough to attempt this and they will go to a shop. Unfortunately, not all shops will have sucess with this as we have seen so with that in mind I was confirming to others that I have had succession with my own personal car and I am willing to offer the service for those who may be seeking it. Also, some people feel more comfortable having someone familiar or an owner to the car working on theirs. Not sure if you've ever had to do any repairs but I've seen what can happen under a dash from a tech who "wasn't sure".

That being said, thanks for your contribution from those who have used it. I was not one of them but I can say your information is spot on. Well done sir.
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