Would you trade Si 2019 for a 2020 Mustang turbo?

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I hate Ecoboost mustang my roommate has one and the other day he told me to move it and Damm I barley could fit the dam thing and I'm 5.8
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IMO, a muscle car w/o a V8 is just wrong. The V6s got strong eventually and you could wind them up to their 300 HP peak and they were decent... but I canā€™t get onboard with turbo 4s on a big heavy muscle car.
Itā€™s not about just the performance... there should a visceral experience they give you. A turbo 4 muscle car does NOT have it. Not saying the 6 did either but there was a linear joy to thrashing them. Going from a decent commuter car that punches above its weight to a muscle car with the wrong engine... eh. If price is a concern, Iā€™d see about just finding any Coyote 5.0 Mustang. Enough years has gone by you should be able to find earlier port injection versions with a touch less power for a decent price. I mean... itā€™s a Ford. They canā€™t have held their value THAT well.

I know turbo 4s can be made fast... but weā€™re not talking the difference between a L15B7 and K20C1 when comparing ā€˜engine optionsā€™. Weā€™re comparing a 2.3L vs a 5.0L engine... and a strong one at that. Youā€™d have to run that 2.3 hard to match the 5.0. Even though the 5.0 is NA thereā€™s some room to grow power-wise with bolt ons.

I also wouldnā€™t ever consider cars like the Charger/Challenger/Mustang/Camaro anymore sports cars than I do the Civic. Theyā€™re all big, heavy and large for their interior dimensions and may have V8s available for options... but theyā€™re all just muscle cars to me. If Iā€™m going to drive around in the automotive equivalent of a sledge hammer, I want the one with the loudest, shakiest, most ridiculous V8 to scream, ā€œDaaah! Look at me!ā€ every time I take off from a stop. Losing that makes you miss out on the muscle car experience... and totally ruins the car IMO.

Theyā€™ve made great strides in making them handle better in the last few decades... and they have a lot of trims that can double or triple their base price to try and make them more performance oriented, but if you jump in a base Mustang at $25k vs a higher end GT at $50k or a GT500 at $75k and it turns into putting lipstick on a pig very quick. Snagging a GT with whatever is the cheapest route for a performance pack is how Iā€™d go... if I wanted a Mustang... which I donā€™t. At least itā€™s better than a Camaro. I havenā€™t been in the newest version, but Iā€™ve heard itā€™s like riding down the road in your bathtub, albeit with a V8 in the bathroom with you, so thatā€™s cool. No wonder Chevy is pulling a 2002-again with it and letting it die here shortly.

Good luck! Test drive the 5.0 and decide if you can live your Ecoboost-Mustang life knowing your missing out on... well... that. Thereā€™s a reason people used to refer to old V8 Fox bodies as just 5-ohs... and the Coyote engine has about twice the power. Itā€™s as Mustang as the car itself.
 

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Have you driven a Mustang Ecoboost? I drove one a few months ago when I was considering the new 2020 Ecoboost Performance Package. I did not like it.

The sales guy tried to tell me all my complaints about it were "because it's a real sports car" and my Si was not.

I guess real sports cars are huge, heavy, clunky, and drive like a boat while having almost no interior space.
Iā€™m sure the new mustang handles very well. But I agree My problem with it is that it is larger than mustangs since 1979 to 2004 Iā€™ll include the mustang 2 ( 74-78) I had more interior room in my 1980 notch back and 1983 hatchback. As Iā€™ve read and seen I think the 1984 to 1986 SVO mustang was probably one of the best handling mustangs
 

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Iā€™m sure the new mustang handles very well. But I agree My problem with it is that it is larger than mustangs since 1979 to 2004 Iā€™ll include the mustang 2 ( 74-78) I had more interior room in my 1980 notch back and 1983 hatchback. As Iā€™ve read and seen I think the 1984 to 1986 SVO mustang was probably one of the best handling mustangs
The mustang I drove was technically capable but it was not enjoyable, precise, or as responsive to steering input as my Si.
 

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The mustang I drove was technically capable but it was not enjoyable, precise, or as responsive to steering input as my Si.
True the SI has the lsd the non GT mustang donā€™t they have a open dif
When I put a limited slip diff in my 83 mustang it made a world of differents
 


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Sorry get a Miata if you want a great 50/50 and car thatā€™s fun to drive even at the posted speed limits.

If you donā€™t like a soft top they make an RF version that adds a hundred or so pounds put really looks sweet.

Now I can say it wonā€™t make the best DD if you have a big family thatā€™s why I have another car (civic Si) to daily.

But sometimes I always wish I had a V-8 Mustang on those wide open stenches especially late at night when the roads are clear.

Maybe I will turbo charge the MX-5 down the line or go with a Flying Miata V8 upgrade to smoke anything out there other than high end super cars!
 

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I considered the turbo mustang myself. I sat in one and fell in love with that interior. Car seems light years ahead of the ā€˜92 GT I had many moons ago. Nothing like the sound of that motor.

Ultimately, I went against it as Charles says, you get the v8 if you get one. I couldnā€™t stand to hang my head in shame every time Iā€™d pull up near one of the other v8 muscle cars. And I couldnā€™t bear the thought of getting 10-12 miles a gallon driving a mustang v8 the way I drive the Si. Also, the v8 needs immensely more room on the road to fully enjoy it. Thatā€™s one of the best things about the Si, you can run her hard about anywhere and stay relatively safe and on the right side of the law.
 

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I already hang my head every time a v8 mustang pulls up when Iā€™m in my SI, tho...
 

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I already hang my head every time a v8 mustang pulls up when Iā€™m in my SI, tho...
nah, give the respect where itā€™s due. Theyā€™ll take you in straight line. So what! Most of them meatheads canā€™t take a curvy road to save their lives...but in reality, youā€™re comparing 2 totally different classes of cars.
 

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I already hang my head every time a v8 mustang pulls up when Iā€™m in my SI, tho...
Why? If you really wanted a mustang, you could have gotten a new one for maybe just $1-2k more than a Si.
No Civic is trying to be an American muscle car, but every 4-banger mustang is wishing it had 4 more cylinders under the hood.
 


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Why? If you really wanted a mustang, you could have gotten a new one for maybe just $1-2k more than a Si.
No Civic is trying to be an American muscle car, but every 4-banger mustang is wishing it had 4 more cylinders under the hood.
This. No one ever saw/heard/drove/rode in a V8 Mustang and ever said, ā€œYeah, this is great but I bet that 2.3 liter turbo 4 is better.ā€

Thereā€™s entry engines for all the muscle cars that are perfectly capable engines... but if you get them, well... why get it in the first place? Youā€™re taking the muscle out of muscle car. Then youā€™re just left with ā€œcarā€. The part that made it special is gone. Just the opinion of a non-muscle car enthusiast... but I canā€™t fathom ever settling that hard on something like that.
 

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Why? If you really wanted a mustang, you could have gotten a new one for maybe just $1-2k more than a Si.
No Civic is trying to be an American muscle car, but every 4-banger mustang is wishing it had 4 more cylinders under the hood.
A bare bones GT is somewhere around $35k, which is Type R money. Which is one of several reasons why Iā€™m in a Civic. And to the poster before; the GT handles very very well, donā€™t be fooled by old stereotypes.

However, theyā€™re definitely different classes of cars, and my Civic is a lot of fun to blast around town in. I have driven a 2017 turbo mustang rental and I used to have a 96 Cobra and they both felt huge.
 

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This. No one ever saw/heard/drove/rode in a V8 Mustang and ever said, ā€œYeah, this is great but I bet that 2.3 liter turbo 4 is better.ā€

Thereā€™s entry engines for all the muscle cars that are perfectly capable engines... but if you get them, well... why get it in the first place? Youā€™re taking the muscle out of muscle car. Then youā€™re just left with ā€œcarā€. The part that made it special is gone. Just the opinion of a non-muscle car enthusiast... but I canā€™t fathom ever settling that hard on something like that.
In 1983&84 ford made two versions of the mustang GT a V8 & a turbo 4
Non intercooled with the pinto 2.3 and fuel injectioned the V8s were 4 barrels the turbo version are very rare and in the eyes of mustang enthusiasts
 
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Thereā€™s a reason people used to refer to old V8 Fox bodies as just 5-ohs...
Yes ... here it is: (wwwwaaaaiiiiiitttt for iiiiitttttt) B L A M O !!!!!!!!!
Now that the party is jumping
With the bass kicked in and the Vegas are pumping
Quick to the point to the point no faking
I'm cooking MCs like a pound of bacon
Burning them if you ain't quick and nimble
I go crazy when I hear a cymbal
And a hi-hat with a souped up tempo
I'm on a roll and it's time to go solo
Rollin' in my 5.0
With my rag-top down so my hair can blow

The girlies on standby waving just to say hi
ā€œDid you stop?ā€ No, I just drove by
Kept on pursuing to the next stop
I busted a left and I'm heading to the next block
The block was dead
 

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A bare bones GT is somewhere around $35k, which is Type R money. Which is one of several reasons why Iā€™m in a Civic.
Right, but an ecoboost mustang is around $26k, which is Si money. Therefore, I don't see the reason for feeling regret near a 35k american muscle car from your 25k compact japanese coupe.
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