Any reason to upgrade to 2020 SI

Honda_RacerX said:

If going from a 2017 or 2018, then yes. I wouldn't do it if you already have a 2019.

I went from a 2017 to a 2019. In my case it wasn't so bad because I had very little negative equity in my 2017.

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Honda_RacerX said:

If going from a 2017 or 2018, then yes. I wouldn't do it if you already have a 2019.

I went from a 2017 to a 2019. In my case it wasn't so bad because I had very little negative equity in my 2017.

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you must get a new iPhone every year too

Royal_Purple_Oil_Filter said:

I don't get the want for Honda Sensing. Does people today really need tech assist to drive safely?

I don't like my Si telling me how to drive her.

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We may very well be driving the last true manual car with no driver’s aids. No auto braking, no adaptive cruise, no lane keep tugging, no 800$ cracked windshield replacement. Feels good. Hopefully the 2017-2019 Si become highly desirable and holds value.

Danimal said:

I ran a light flywheel on a Mustang I had in the past and everyday driving required a lot more effort. I think this ‘lil 1.5L is better for all that rotational inertia on a normal launch.

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I understand what your saying, but it's all in what you used to and comfortable with.

My first car had a V6 flywheel installed on its' V8 engine. You had to practice getting the car rolling without spinning the wheels.

The hardest launching car I've owned was my 1985 C4 Corvette. It had a final drive ratio of 3.07. Compare that to our 10th gen with a final drive ratio of 4.105.

Add to that that the 1rst gear ratio on the Corvette was 2.88 compared to our 1rst gear ratio of 3.643.

I may be wrong, but I feel like even with a lighter flywheel, the Si will still be easier to get rolling than my '85 Vette was.

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I'm not sure how the math actually works, but lets play with numbers to give us a relative comparison.

If I add the final drive ratio and the first gear ratio together, it will give us some type of overall ratio that we can compare relative leverage to.

So for the Corvette that would be 3.07 plus 2.88 for a total of 5.95.

And the Civic we would have 4.105 plus 3.643 for a total of 7.748.

Interestingly my 1985 Corvette only had 230 hp. So that is close to the same. Though I did have 330 ft/lbs of torque. So that 50% more torque is going to make a big difference.

Still at launch were dealing with only 1000 RPM. But I'm betting that the flywheel inertia of the "lightened" Civic flywheel won't be much lighter than the Corvette stock single mass flywheel was. And with a 24% mechanical advantage, I'm hoping the Si will "feel" just fine.

Now, with the 2020 final drive ratio, that mechanical advantage would only increase. So again, I'm eagerly awaiting some driving reports with comparisons to see if the change makes any increase in "feel" for our butt dynos.

Royal_Purple_Oil_Filter said:

I don't get the want for Honda Sensing. Does people today really need tech assist to drive safely?

I don't like my Si telling me how to drive her.

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I mostly agree with you, except for adaptive cruise. I spent about 7 hours on mostly interstate driving yesterday in my gf's RAV, and I was glad to have it available for that kind of long, boring trip.

I myself would like Honda Sensing (just in case).

However, I read that Honda Sensing may be erratic at times. Maybe they have improved this in later years.

Royal_Purple_Oil_Filter said:

Does people today really need tech assist to drive safely?

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You already know the answer to that question. Just look around (or maybe even in the mirror) at all the people eating, applying makeup, arguing with their spouses, slapping their children in the back seat, interacting with their smartphones or infotainment systems, and not using hands-free technology such as Bluetooth for phone calls.

None of us are perfect drivers - even the best of us make mistakes and take unnecessary risks at times. Otherwise, there would never be any collisions in which drivers were at fault.

Are ADAS perfect? No, but they can take over and avoid collisions or save lives when we have momentary lapses. How many collisions have been caused by human error? (Hint: Lots) How many collisions have been caused by ADAS? (Hint: I don't know of any)

If you don't want to wear a seat belt in an automobile or a helmet on a motorcycle then that's fine - you're the only person at risk there. When you choose not to use CMBS, you're putting not only your life at risk but the lives of others as well - that's just plain selfish.

SDAlexander8 said:

you must get a new iPhone every year too

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No, but I do upgrade to a new android about every 3 years.

zroger73 said:

You already know the answer to that question. Just look around (or maybe even in the mirror) at all the people eating, applying makeup, arguing with their spouses, slapping their children in the back seat, interacting with their smartphones or infotainment systems, and not using hands-free technology such as Bluetooth for phone calls.

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Sounds like the perfect solution to all these problems would be to just force everyone to drive a manual. Can't "apply makeup" if you need two hands to drive your car

zroger73 said:

None of us are perfect drivers - even the best of us make mistakes and take unnecessary risks at times. Otherwise, there would never be any collisions in which drivers were at fault.

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Agreed 100%. Why resist addition protection.......

Drake said:

Sounds like the perfect solution to all these problems would be to just force everyone to drive a manual. Can't "apply makeup" if you need two hands to drive your car

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You'd be amazed what I can do while driving stick.

Seriously though, I drive 25k miles/year for work so any additional safety features would be welcome. It's hard to maintain focus and discipline when driving 3-6 hrs a day and answering work calls.

VarmintCong said:

You'd be amazed what I can do while driving stick.
Seriously though, I drive 25k miles/year for work so any additional safety features would be welcome. It's hard to maintain focus and discipline when driving 3-6 hrs a day and answering work calls.

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Agreed.
My daily work commute is 2-3 hours in a snails pace. I wish I have voice recognition with my SI so I can send SMS.
I am seriously considering putting my phones in the trunk when I drive.

I would just wait for the next generation SI. Not worth it, IMO to trade up for the same generation car

Nah, not worth it.

mis3 said:

Agreed.
My daily work commute is 2-3 hours in a snails pace. I wish I have voice recognition with my SI so I can send SMS.
I am seriously considering putting my phones in the trunk when I drive.

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You should be able to do that through Carplay or Android Auto, can't you? I use Android Auto to send texts when it's connected in my VW.

mjh said:

You should be able to do that through Carplay or Android Auto, can't you? I use Android Auto to send texts when it's connected in my VW.

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Listen to the txt when it pops up and choose reply. Say what you want to txt and then approve it.