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now the question I have for some of you who alternate auto and manual ownership, how long does it take for you to get tired of manual compared to how long it takes you to get tired of auto (or miss manual)?
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...yet they now yield faster acceleration and better fuel economy than manuals.
now the question I have for some of you who alternate auto and manual ownership, how long does it take for you to get tired of manual compared to how long it takes you to get tired of auto (or miss manual)?
For me, the "thrill" of driving a manual wears off after a few weeks of normal driving (or 5 minutes in congested traffic). However, I begin to miss a manual the moment I pull out of my driveway the next morning in an automatic. :)
 
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I too am punching out. Primarily due to my commute change. I can't stomach, after 30+ years of driving stick, to drive a stick in traffic. My breezy 50 minute commute to work has become a 75-90-120 min slog home. Clutch in, clutch out, clutch in, clutch out. Ugh.

I loved the Si for the same reasons I bought it 18 months / 32,000 miles ago. its FUN. 90% of the time I drove it, it brought a smile to my face. Lovely gearbox. Great road feel through the steering. LSD to make corners more fun. Room enough for my family. Pop open the sunroof and windows and bring the outside in. Fantastic fuel economy (about 40mpg average per the computer) But over time, I realized I should have gone for something like the more stodgy GTi (softer ride, less road noise, available DSG). So, I am replacing the Civic Si with a soul crushing appliance for my daily driving. Luckily the garage still has room for a singularly fun weekend car that's been in my family forever.
 

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I too am punching out. Primarily due to my commute change. I can't stomach, after 30+ years of driving stick, to drive a stick in traffic. My breezy 50 minute commute to work has become a 75-90-120 min slog home. Clutch in, clutch out, clutch in, clutch out. Ugh.

I loved the Si for the same reasons I bought it 18 months / 32,000 miles ago. its FUN. 90% of the time I drove it, it brought a smile to my face. Lovely gearbox. Great road feel through the steering. LSD to make corners more fun. Room enough for my family. Pop open the sunroof and windows and bring the outside in. Fantastic fuel economy (about 40mpg average per the computer) But over time, I realized I should have gone for something like the more stodgy GTi (softer ride, less road noise, available DSG). So, I am replacing the Civic Si with a soul crushing appliance for my daily driving. Luckily the garage still has room for a singularly fun weekend car that's been in my family forever.
Don't buy a VW unless you are leasing or planning to keep it only 3 years. You'll regret it. Your mechanic will love you though
 

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Don't buy a VW unless you are leasing or planning to keep it only 3 years. You'll regret it. Your mechanic will love you though
Most 2018 and 2019 VW models came with a 6-year, 72,000-mile, transferable, "bumper-to-bumper" warranty. 2020 models will come with a 4/50 warranty, but that's still longer than Honda's. VW also includes maintenance for 2/24 unlike Honda.
 


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Most 2018 and 2019 VW models came with a 6-year, 72,000-mile, transferable, "bumper-to-bumper" warranty. 2020 models will come with a 4/50 warranty, but that's still longer than Honda's. VW also includes maintenance for 2/24 unlike Honda.
Ha ha the amount of times it will need "maintenance" will astound you. I owned several VW's including Rabbit and GTi. My co-workers 2015 Jetta has been in the shop for so many minor things I've lost count. They can take their 2/24 free maintenance and shove it
 

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I know I’m going to get someone mad but some of these auto manufacturers are in right to work states such as VW BMW & Mercedes and I hate to say it but the quality isn’t there it’s put it together and get it out the door and deal with the problems later I know some one that worked at the BMW plant in South Carolina and said they have a revolving door of employees
I also work in a right to work state
 

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I know I’m going to get someone mad but some of these auto manufacturers are in right to work states such as VW BMW & Mercedes and I hate to say it but the quality isn’t there it’s put it together and get it out the door and deal with the problems later I know some one that worked at the BMW plant in South Carolina and said they have a revolving door of employees
I also work in a right to work state
I totally agree with you. I saw the quality in my Toyota's change when they started to be built in America. My 2004 Sienna and 2006 Camry were built in Japan, but had excellent quality and no issues. My 2013 Toyota Sienna on the other hand had all kinds of quality issues, poor workmanship and materials. I had to change the front struts 2 years ago and the sliding door motors had to be changed as well. To me, "built in America" is the problem
 

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I totally agree with you. I saw the quality in my Toyota's change when they started to be built in America. My 2004 Sienna and 2006 Camry were built in Japan, but had excellent quality and no issues. My 2013 Toyota Sienna on the other hand had all kinds of quality issues, poor workmanship and materials. I had to change the front struts 2 years ago and the sliding door motors had to be changed as well. To me, "built in America" is the problem
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I totally agree with you. I saw the quality in my Toyota's change when they started to be built in America. My 2004 Sienna and 2006 Camry were built in Japan, but had excellent quality and no issues. My 2013 Toyota Sienna on the other hand had all kinds of quality issues, poor workmanship and materials. I had to change the front struts 2 years ago and the sliding door motors had to be changed as well. To me, "built in America" is the problem
Toyota (or Honda or any other automaker) doesn't build struts or sliding door motors (or seats or radios or fuel injectors or air bags or seat belts or headlights or windshields or air conditioning systems or the vast majority of other components that make an automobile). What they do make are the frames, body panels, most engines, and some transmissions. Automakers are mostly installers of individual components or assemblies made by other supplies that are common to many brands and assembly locations. I won't argue that there is a difference in work ethic between the US or Mexico and Japan or even Canada, but the durability of a strut or sliding door motor is more dependent on how those components were design than the location where they were installed.
 


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Toyota (or Honda or any other automaker) doesn't build struts or sliding door motors (or seats or radios or fuel injectors or air bags or seat belts or headlights or windshields or air conditioning systems or the vast majority of other components that make an automobile). What they do make are the frames, body panels, most engines, and some transmissions. Automakers are mostly installers of individual components or assemblies made by other supplies that are common to many brands and assembly locations. I won't argue that there is a difference in work ethic between the US or Mexico and Japan or even Canada, but the durability of a strut or sliding door motor is more dependent on how those components were design than the location where they were installed.
I agree, but it's funny I never had a problem with my Japan built cars, either with struts, sliding door motors or anything else
 

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I've owned 29 automobiles including 11 Hondas. Each one seems to have more fit and finish issues than the last regardless of assembly location or brand. Overall reliability seems to be improving - I can't remember the last time a vehicle left me stranded, but nuisances like infotainment system glitches and cosmetic issues like inconsistent panel gaps have become more prevalent. Also, keep in mind that automobiles, like televisions and washing machines and just about everything else, are made as cheaply as possible and just well enough to last a predetermined amount of time (planned obsolescence). Far fewer components are "over engineered" today than they once were.
 
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I've owned 29 automobiles including 11 Hondas. Each one seems to have more fit and finish issues than the last regardless of assembly location or brand. Overall reliability seems to be improving - I can't remember the last time a vehicle left me stranded, but nuisances like infotainment system glitches and cosmetic issues like inconsistent panel gaps have become more prevalent. Also, keep in mind that automobiles, like televisions and washing machines and just about everything else, are made as cheaply as possible and just well enough to last a predetermined amount of time (planned obsolescence). Far fewer components are "over engineered" today than they once were.
You've got "planned obsolescence" and then you've got FCA-level.

Honda isn't that far gone yet.
 

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Don't buy a VW unless you are leasing or planning to keep it only 3 years. You'll regret it. Your mechanic will love you though
Well.. not this time.. But I've had 3 VWs over the years that I kept for a combined 24 years.. each for between 120K-220K miles and none of them was any worse in reliability than my current Honda. Sorry. Only good experiences for me.
 
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I briefly had a 2011 Dodge Journey Mainstreet w/the 3.6L pentastar V6.

It wasn't actually bad for the price; interior build was much improved over the previous generation,u and it thewas comfortable and pretty quick. But, the engine was problematic - needed two new cylinder heads replaced under warranty within 23k miles, and the brake pads needed replacing every 15k. The Journey was built off the Avenger and the brakes didn't get increased in size despite the increase in size to the Journey.

So with engine failures (limp mode each time) plus shit brakes....nope.
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