2017 SI stock with 61,000 mi Engine Failure!

Should I simply accept their offer to cover cost at 90% with 30K warrenty?


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Update:

Talked to the rep at the dealer and basically once they saw metal shavings in the oil they stopped all work and contacted Honda America. They claim the oil was the proper amount and the oil job was done right. I want to believe them on this, so depending on how they treat me going forward I will give them the benefit of the doubt. They are prepared to replace the parts tommorrow and then will send in the motor to Honda for evaluation, whatever they plan on doing I have no idea.

The Rep said that because the engine was total loss he put in a request for a good will purchase for the parts and labor at 100% but Honda America rejected it and offered the 90% deal woth the 36,000 mi warrenty.

I keep getting the run around on who can extend a better deal, Honda America or the dealer.

I got a chance to speak with the mechanic and he said that the likely cause is the cam chain guide was faulty. That it could have caused the cam chain to fail resulting in the engine failure. I also asked how many 1.5L t engines failed that he has seen and he said 3, but under warrenty.

I basically have two options:

1. Let them work more on my engine, make a deal, and walk away with a working car and small extension on the warrenty.

Or...

2. Take back my car and hire a third party mechanic to look at why it failed.

I mentioned that oil change coincidense and they logically dismissed it as the cause since it had oil in it ( I have to trust them here). I also mentioned the extended warrenty ( they didnt know about it) and they confirmed my VIN has the warrenty, however whether or not it can be applied to my car it has to exhibit certain failures.

They were very nice and logical, but are likely tired of my concerns. I mentioned I was worried about the fact that I am at their mercy for extending the 90% offer that they could redact, but he gave me his word he would not.

So sorry guys I dont know why it failed, I dont know who can apply the extended 6 year warrenty, and I dont know what I should do. I am going to sleep on it.
I'd highly recommend you call Honda directly and ask for a case number to go over everything with them.
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Back in '90 I had an '88 Dodge Daytona that dropped a valve at 43,000 miles. The dealer agreed that it should be repaired under the 60,000 mile warranty. When they were done and I picked the car up, they wanted $1000.00 for "shop rags", "fluids", "gaskets", and "other wear/non-warranty" items. I paid them and sold the car. The dealership is going to want something for that extensive of a repair. Not right. Just the way things seem to work out. Good luck . 69,000 miles on my Si, and I hope I'm not driving a ticking time bomb.
 
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I'd highly recommend you call Honda directly and ask for a case number to go over everything with them.
I did. I started a case but they wont get back to me until a day or two. Meanwhile the dealer wants to work in my motor tommorrow. I may wait until I hear from Honda first, though they both claim they cannot make a better deal. I dont like it.
 
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I may make a documentary of this on youtube. I got hours of audio and video. SI and would-be SI owners may find this interesting. I just want to know why the damn engine failed so early and if its a known issue or I just have bad luck.

Thanks for your inputs guys, I will keep you updated.
 

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I may make a documentary of this on youtube. I got hours of audio and video. SI and would-be SI owners may find this interesting. I just want to know why the damn engine failed so early and if its a known issue or I just have bad luck.

Thanks for your inputs guys, I will keep you updated.
Please do. Everyone here would love that. And if things don't work out in your favor (meaning 100% coverage) - you can give yourself some small measure of satisfaction by putting that video out there for the world to see.
 


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It's a tough spot to be in and (assuming they didn't do something very shady) then the evidence would be the oil change didn't cause the failure.

@T_A_H brings up a reasonable argument that taking your "10% payment lashes" may have some merit in getting some resolution and getting back on the road. These sorts of things can be notoriously open-ended, however. I'd work out to pay a flat-fee of whatever it's going to be and agree that's all you're liable for during the repair... sign your name to just that amount and if the costs increase... then hold to the amount you agreed to. If a number between $500-900 is what it is... then that's what you pay and no more.

If you do go the route of agreeing to pay... just make sure you know to the dollar what you're getting yourself into.
 
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It's a tough spot to be in and (assuming they didn't do something very shady) then the evidence would be the oil change didn't cause the failure.

@T_A_H brings up a reasonable argument that taking your "10% payment lashes" may have some merit in getting some resolution and getting back on the road. These sorts of things can be notoriously open-ended, however. I'd work out to pay a flat-fee of whatever it's going to be and agree that's all you're liable for during the repair... sign your name to just that amount and if the costs increase... then hold to the amount you agreed to. If a number between $500-900 is what it is... then that's what you pay and no more.

If you do go the route of agreeing to pay... just make sure you know to the dollar what you're getting yourself into.
It's a tough spot to be in and (assuming they didn't do something very shady) then the evidence would be the oil change didn't cause the failure.

@T_A_H brings up a reasonable argument that taking your "10% payment lashes" may have some merit in getting some resolution and getting back on the road. These sorts of things can be notoriously open-ended, however. I'd work out to pay a flat-fee of whatever it's going to be and agree that's all you're liable for during the repair... sign your name to just that amount and if the costs increase... then hold to the amount you agreed to. If a number between $500-900 is what it is... then that's what you pay and no more.

If you do go the route of agreeing to pay... just make sure you know to the dollar what you're getting yourself into.

Ya good idea on getting in print what the cost will be. I dont like the idea of paying for what is basically a random failure just 1000 miles out of warrenty. It could be any of us. Maybe they should offer a 100k mi warrenty like some manufacturers, or atleast be clear what the extended warrenty covers.
 
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I suppose the idea of a milage warrenty doesnt really cover alot for someone like me. I live in open road southern arizona. My mom and my fiance mom are widowed and need our help often. Some months I drive there everyweekend. My work is also 40 min away all highway. As for abuse, I got a 600cc sport bike for that.

So my 61,000 miles in less than two years arent really the same as some guy doing launches every street light in a conjested city. Im in 6th gear for 30 min. I was relying on Hondas enginering and manufactoring reliablity instead of a written warranty. Now I want a written warrenty of some time duration.

A 5 year warrenty or 150,00 miles in my use case would make me sleep well at night, but thats the issue from my perspective. I am sure Honda doesnt want to give any warranty from their perspective.[/QUOTE]
 

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I mentioned that oil change coincidense and they logically dismissed it as the cause since it had oil in it ( I have to trust them here). .
Did you see the Low Oil Pressure lamp/icon turn on?
 

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If this turns out to be other than an issue related to the oil change not being done properly,, I'm glad I sold my Honda. As I mentioned earlier, a friend of mine worked as a service manager for a Toyota dealership that fucked up, and they owned up to it and replaced the engine, no questions asked.

I have owned 6 Toyotas since 1995, every one of them made it past 150K (two of them past 200k) with no problems, and all of them were abused and driven hard.

I hope for all of your sakes this was just a fluke or the dealership F'ed up. All I can tell you is do what you need to do to get your car fixed and your life back. I will be rooting for you bro. I will be keeping an eye on this thread
 
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Did you see the Low Oil Pressure lamp/icon turn on?
So the first few post were written both by myself and my fiancé, let me explain. One detail left out was that I was actually out of the country on work when the oil change was done and when the engine failed. My fiancé went to the dealer for the oil change, had the engine issue, and had it towed back. I came back state side this weekend. We both wrote the first few post here, filling the information from both of our perspectives. Sorry super confusing, but its just me the guy writing this now.

I went to the dealer initially on Saturday when the original rep who helped my fiancé was out on sick leave and the mechanic was not present. So I decided to visit them both on Monday (9/18) and that is when we made this first post.

Anyway, she didnt mention any lights initially just that she heard some weird sounds and it acted weird and soon after the engine stopped and then the lights came on. She also posted earlier that she did not recall seeing any lights prior to the engine failure.
 
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Hello,

... This was also right after I did an oil change at the Honda dealer. Like an hour after. ...
This also happened to me, several days after the dealer changed it (it's first oil change!). I smelled something strange and thought it was the beater next to me. No warnings on the dash! Then I realized it was me and pulled over and watched all the oil drain down the gutter! I didn't move it, but now the dash said to check the oil. I had it towed in and they admitted that they had f'd up and gave me an 5 year/unlimited mile warranty on the engine. So far so good, happened just before the 4th of July.
 

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Ugh this thread makes me a bit nervous....

I love this car mostly. The fuel economy is outstanding. The fun factor is good. The residual value isn't bad either. I like having a manual with an LSD, but I rarely find myself in driving situations where the LSD is a benefit. Nice to know it's there when I need it.

To the OP - have you been in contact with Honda Corporate directly or only the dealership?
 

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I will also add that this is more than likely a fault of the dealer oil change. Far too coincidental. Ask for the reason for failure. If its anything oil related and you have been on schedule with services then you should not have to pay a dime.
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