Refreshed 2020 Civic Si

Not sure if the vents are better or worse... have to see them in person but look like a direct swap.

Still same boring colors though.

I love Honda Sensing, especially the Lane Keep Assist. I like those LED headlights too, and I wish they were revised since they have a lot of glare on the -16-'19 Civic Touring coupes, sedan and hatchbacks that currently have them.

I love those new wheels too. I don't want at all a 6% shorter final drive since it's already terrible enough that 2nd gear maxes out at ~56mph on the 17-19 Si, and that just sucks for autocrossing.

Is it just me or is the gas pedal thicker (moving the pedal closer to the driver)?

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/pictures/2020-honda-civic-si-coupe-sedan-pricing/26/

I really like the new styling and wheels, but the extra red on the seats might be a deal breaker for me. Maybe we will get lucky and they won't have it in the sedan (slim chance, but I can hope).

Also I am curious if they changed or added to any of the electonic gizmos or changed configurability of the imid display behind the steering wheel.

I have always wished they made it to where we could have the boost gauge/tach/shift lights at the same dam time. Maybe even all that AND braking throttle percentages. Be busy but I would love it.

nathanzachary said:

I really like the new styling and wheels, but the extra red on the seats might be a deal breaker for me. Maybe we will get lucky and they won't have it in the sedan (slim chance, but I can hope).

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Ugh, just notice the ugly red seats are in the sedan photos too.

What's a crime is they didn't update the most important thing: No change to the weak/laggy Infotainment System.

Animage said:

How does adding engine sound to the audio system work? Just overrides your music or what? I'm new to hearing about this as a feature.

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The sounds produced by Active Sound Control are additive - they do not replace any existing audio.

davemarco said:

If the headlamps are the same LED ones on the ‘19 R’s, then they’ll be pretty damn good.

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All 2016-2019 Civic headlights received the lowest-possible rating of "poor" by the IIHS. The most significant factors were inadequate illumination from the halogens and excessive glare from the LED's.

Headlights with less than an "acceptable" rating (the second highest) will prevent a vehicle from qualifying for an IIHS TOP SAFETY PICK. Headlights with less than a "good" rating (the highest) will prevent a vehicle from qualifying for an IIHS TOP SAFETY PICK+ rating.

TSP and TSP+ ratings are important to automakers.

Based on this and evidence from the shuffling of headlights on the Pilot, I suspect Honda is addressing their headlight deficiencies (at least in some models and trims) in hopes of qualifying for more TSP and TSP+ ratings. For 2018, Honda added reflector LED headlights to the top Pilot trims and moved the LED projector headlights down to lower trims to replace the poorly-rated halogens.

I'll bet the 2020 Civic LED headlights are tweaked for better light output with less glare in an effort to satisfy IIHS headlight ratings.

Also, adding Automatic High Beams as a function of Honda Sensing helps offset inadequate low beam illumination through the IIHS's "high-beam assist credit".

zroger73 said:

The sounds produced by Active Sound Control are additive - they do not replace any existing audio.



All 2016-2019 Civic headlights received the lowest-possible rating of "poor" by the IIHS. The most significant factors were inadequate illumination from the halogens and excessive glare from the LED's.

Headlights with less than an "acceptable" rating (the second highest) will prevent a vehicle from qualifying for an IIHS TOP SAFETY PICK. Headlights with less than a "good" rating (the highest) will prevent a vehicle from qualifying for an IIHS TOP SAFETY PICK+ rating.

TSP and TSP+ ratings are important to automakers.

Based on this and evidence from the shuffling of headlights on the Pilot, I suspect Honda is addressing their headlight deficiencies (at least in some models and trims) in hopes of qualifying for more TSP and TSP+ ratings. For 2018, Honda added reflector LED headlights to the top Pilot trims and moved the LED projector headlights down to lower trims to replace the poorly-rated halogens.

I'll bet the 2020 Civic LED headlights are tweaked for better light output with less glare in an effort to satisfy IIHS headlight ratings.

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I suspect that the glare issue that the IIHS is concerned with is definitely on the high beams. From most angles, the LED low beams are great and not at all blinding. The second that you flip on the high beams though, you instantly get this huge "X" pattern of light thrown onto everything around you for several yards, both horizontally and vertically. They'd be blinding to people standing on a 10 foot platform mounted 20 feet to your right. It's nuts.

davemarco said:

I suspect that the glare issue that the IIHS is concerned with is definitely on the high beams. From most angles, the LED low beams are great and not at all blinding. The second that you flip on the high beams though, you instantly get this huge "X" pattern of light thrown onto everything around you for several yards, both horizontally and vertically. They'd be blinding to people standing on a 10 foot platform mounted 20 feet to your right. It's nuts.

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There can be no glare issue with high beams, as you are not supposed to use high beams when there is oncoming traffic. All high beams will produce prodigious amounts of glare to oncoming traffic. The glare issue is definitely with the low beams and oncoming traffic.

DallasCRX said:

They're just slightly heavier than the current wheels.

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Source and or details please

davemarco said:

I suspect that the glare issue that the IIHS is concerned with is definitely on the high beams.

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"The low beams created excessive glare."

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/Honda/civic-2-door-coupe/2019#headlights
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/honda/civic-4-door-sedan/2019#headlights
https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/Honda/civic-4-door-hatchback/2019#headlights

"Glare for oncoming vehicles is also measured from low beams in each scenario.

Vehicles equipped with high-beam assist get their low beam demerits reduced."

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/about-our-tests#headlight-evaluation

DallasCRX said:

They're just slightly heavier than the current wheels.

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The published curb weights of the 2019 and 2020 are identical, so if the 2020's wheels are "slightly heavier", then they must total less than 0.5 lbs. for the set of four...or less considering the additional hardware required for Honda Sensing and Active Sound Control.

I don't know man.. Think I like the 17-19 rims a little more. Def like the 17-19 bumper and seats more too.



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Tuff call. Are the new wheels heavier? I heard conflicting info.











Who knows.. Maybe it was a blessing in disguise picking up the 2019!

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I actually thought about waiting for the 2020's to release. I actually didn't want my car to have Honda sensing (salesperson was trying to convince me to buy a sport coupe instead), because I wanted it to be more of an involved driving experience.

I do wish I got the LED headlights, red seat inserts I'm indifferent towards. Also very glad I don't get the higher final drive ratio, no thanks on maxing out 2nd at nearly 50mph and getting 2 mpg rating worse, 2 mpg!!!! Car was never built to run a fast 0-60 so why bother

So happy i got a new 2019 before these changes....