KTuner Updates: Si Advanced VSA, 18 MY Map Switching, And More!

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Ugh. Cold weather and wheel spin. I never updated from way back when and got busy with other randomness... I guess it's time to update my tune and do some advanced VSA. I can't find any traction in 1st or 2nd with more than 1/2 throttle now that the temperature has consistently been in the 60s or lower down here in GA.

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Checking U0122 VSA will also disable Sport Mode.

In order to use this feature simply check Advanced VSA in the Quick Enables area and select your level in the Quick Adjustments.
Kind of a late question that your answer was somewhat in reference to...

U0122 - VSA is unchecked by default on TSP Stage 1. I understand this prevents sport mode from working based on the old posts. I'm leaving that unchecked.

"VSA Traction Control" is checked by default on TSP Stage 1... which appears it should disable something. I *definitely* still have factory VSA regardless of this... as when I don't have the VSA button pressed in the car... there is a ton of throttle pullback. I've never done a full-disable pedal dance but I don't really feel any throttle intervention for what normal driving I do... and can get a good deal of slip without throttle pullback seeming to intervene enough to matter and slow the car down.

@KTuner, just curious what this "VSA Traction Control" box is actually doing. I looked on the online help and really didn't see anything that addressed it.

So far... I've got the Advanced VSA enable checked and am going to try out the moderate option. I'd like the car to hook and go. I really didn't recall there being an option for me to adjust BBG back when I originally flashed back on 7/31/18 and I don't think I'd updated my software when I took the car in for look at something under warranty back in April of this year. It had an 18# BBG limit as I understood in 1st and then targeted 24.5# in all other gears. Now it looks like that might be gone and am going to select 18# again for 1st (I'd actually had 18# as a 1st gear BBG limit back when I was running 23# basemaps).

I guess I'm very behind the times. :hmm:
 
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I did get around to (finally) reflashing the beginning of this week where ambients were around ~35-50F... so plenty cool enough to likely make the Goodyear F1s a smidge harder and the engine make enough torque to break traction throughout 1st and 2nd on the 24.5# map.

Moderate Advanced VSA is like damned magic in the car holding traction. It really is impressive. I certainly can't quantify the difference, but I'd think the car would be accelerating far more effectively compared to before. In the cold, my Civic used to try to the it's best impression of a RSX Type-S with crap motor mounts and wheel hop my fillings out if I just pinned the throttle with VSA off. Now it's just smooth and steady acceleration.
 

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@KTuner, just curious what this "VSA Traction Control" box is actually doing. I looked on the online help and really didn't see anything that addressed it.
I have the same question!
 


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The C67 software has this already, as it's on the list you quoted. If you haven't received Honda's updates, do that first. They update the CVT TCM which you'll need to have done in order to use C67.
@KTuner i know this thread is old but i came across it after still having noticeable throttle pull back with the advanced vsa turned on aggressive timing/light throttle pullback. vsa is not disabled in the drop down. Back when honda first came out with the "product update" i got an email but when i called into my local dealer they said that my VIN was not currently on the list for any update/recall. after that i checked online and at the time time it was still only for cold weather states, im in CA. coming across this thread about vsa sparked a quick search and i discovered that the update has been applicable to all 50 states for quite some time.

My question is -do i need the update inorder for advanced vsa to work properly or is the throttle pull back i am experiencing due to the fact that vsa isn't disabled. I can't quite remember what the car was like before i enabled this feature shortly after it was available for the non-si because i don't usually induce wheel spin, mostling rolling pulls no launching. I only experience throttle pull back/hesitation when shifting into 2nd gear. Either way i will be making an appointment for the update asap.
 
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Advanced VSA works with both ignition and throttle pullback. The levels are how much. Feel free to email support for more info.
 

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Advanced VSA works with both ignition and throttle pullback. The levels are how much. Feel free to email support for more info.
that much i understand, thanks for the reply. im sure the throttle pullback before was much more significant then. with vsa disabled in the drop down, as i understand it, advanced vsa is still working except throttle pull back is eliminated and it utilizes ignition retard only is that correct?
 

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that much i understand, thanks for the reply. im sure the throttle pullback before was much more significant then. with vsa disabled in the drop down, as i understand it, advanced vsa is still working except throttle pull back is eliminated and it utilizes ignition retard only is that correct?
There are 3 levels of aVSA, if the full retard of that level is reached but the wheels still slipping then you will encounter some amount of throttle pullback, you can minimize throttle pullback by "disabling" traction control.
 

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There are 3 levels of aVSA, if the full retard of that level is reached but the wheels still slipping then you will encounter some amount of throttle pullback, you can minimize throttle pullback by "disabling" traction control.
thats exactly what i did last night, the ignition pull back alone is perfect to me. the throttle pullback was very noticeable and induced quite a bit of hesitation even with the aggressive ignition/light throttle. i was definitely losing acceleration.
 


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thats exactly what i did last night, the ignition pull back alone is perfect to me. the throttle pullback was very noticeable and induced quite a bit of hesitation even with the aggressive ignition/light throttle. i was definitely losing acceleration.
Sounds like you have very poor traction, you may want to use boost by gear. I have good results with light ignition (i have a cat) and sticky tires (yokohama v105)
 

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Sounds like you have very poor traction, you may want to use boost by gear.
i have BBG setup, i have great traction actually. i was still getting significant cut when shifting to second. now, even with VSA completely off i dont get wheel spin when shifting just a chirp. thats why i messaged ktuner because it didnt make sense to have that much pull back. i dont launch my car and usually only do pulls from around 3k. thats about as aggressive as i get, still on stock clutch. i havent even launched the car since it was stock about 20k miles ago. its my daily so no need to break it.
 

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i have BBG setup, i have great traction actually. i was still getting significant cut when shifting to second. now, even with VSA completely off i dont get wheel spin when shifting just a chirp. thats why i messaged ktuner because it didnt make sense to have that much pull back. i dont launch my car and usually only do pulls from around 3k. thats about as aggressive as i get, still on stock clutch. i havent even launched the car since it was stock about 20k miles ago. its my daily so no need to break it.
If VSA is not fully disabled, even with advanced on and aggressive ignition selected, when enough slip is realized by the factory VSA , it will still throttle back. It could be from the tires not gripping or it feels the car slide etc. I noticed this too on my cvt but when I got new tires, it doesnt do it at all right now. the car just goes
 

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If VSA is not fully disabled, even with advanced on and aggressive ignition selected, when enough slip is realized by the factory VSA , it will still throttle back. It could be from the tires not gripping or it feels the car slide etc. I noticed this too on my cvt but when I got new tires, it doesnt do it at all right now. the car just goes
yeah thats what i figured so i disabled vsa and left ADVVSA on the most aggressive setting. now the car hauls a$$. no wheel spin no hesitation just gone.
 

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Hello Fellow Enthusiasts!

It is with great pleasure that we bring you a release full of progress for the 10th gen platform! We have been very busy and very quiet with everything happening here, but there is so much in the works!

This update is live on the website and available now!

For the Si (All 17-19):

New P2565 Wastegate Disable For Use With Aftermarket Turbo Kits Like The PRL Big Turbo Kit and MAPerformance Kits. If you used the previous option, uncheck it, then check the new one instead. Cleaner full disable and keeps Sport mode fully operational. The old disable is still available in the event something else arises.

Advanced VSA Control (If you know someone with a 2.0T Accord, this is available for them too)
Tired of the VSA system overreacting? We've had this option in development for some time and it's a great tie in to the factory VSA system. Maintaining some level of throttle intervention, we have built on the ECU's control of ignition during loss of traction. Simply enable the Advanced VSA feature in Quick Enables and then select your level of balance between ignition and throttle for the Advanced VSA Control Strategy under Quick Adjustments.
Please note in a situation that calls for it, like if TPMS says your tires aren't equal or you're on a spare, Advanced VSA can be disabled by enabling Cruise Main on the dash.
Advanced VSA Control will make its way to Non-Si platforms soon, as we may change or add options based on the feedback for the Si platform.

Link to Advanced VSA help page: http://ktuner.com/KTunerHelp/advanced_vsa_control_strategy.htm

For the Non-Si:

New P2565 Wastegate Disable For Use With Aftermarket Turbo Kits Like The PRL Big Turbo Kit and MAPerformance Kits. If you used the previous option, uncheck it, then check the new one instead. Cleaner full disable.

Available Today For These ECU Models, available soon for others:
  • 5AA-A0x
  • 5AA-A57
  • 5AA-L58
  • 5AA-A67
  • 5AA-L68
  • 5AA-C0x
  • 5AA-C57
  • 5AA-C67
  • 5AA-K0x
  • 5AA-K1x
  • 5AA-K2x
  • 5AA-X0x
Hatchback Models
  • 5AN-95x
  • 5AN-A0x
  • 5AN-A1x
  • 5AN-A5x
  • 5AN-B5x
  • 5AN-L5x
  • 5AN-A6x
  • 5AN-L6x
  • 5AN-C0x
  • 5AN-C1x
  • 5AN-C5x
  • 5AN-K6x

Multi-Map Switching (CVT and MT) And Adjustable Launch Control (MT Only) Added To These Additional ECUs:

  • 5AA-A1x
  • 5AA-A7x
  • 5AA-A8x
  • 5AA-C1x
  • 5AA-C8x
  • 5AJ-A5x
  • 5AJ-L5x
  • 5AJ-L6x
  • 5AJ-L7x
Hi I cant find the wastegate disable for my cvt under the disable/monitor table?
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