PRL Motorsports 2017+ Honda Civic Type-R FK8 Turbocharger Inlet Pipe Kit

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Thanks for sharing @PRL Motorsports, I have a custom tune right now, and plan on doing more upgrades in the future with fuel pump upgrade, drop in turbo, built engine etc. can’t wait for this to release.
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Thank you for the test data PRL! If I read correctly you did NOT have the upgraded intercooler piping installed on this series of testing, correct? If not, it would interesting to see a dyno with those pieces added into the mix...not to mention a complete tune with the added parts. With increased air flow comes a need for additional fuel.

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I'm hoping that one of those upgraded fuel pumps comes out soon. Then we can really start seeing some numbers.
 

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I respect your company and own your products. That being said, why are you wasting your R+D and so many of the enthusiasts money to create any intake parts that STILL put the refrigerator on top of the raging wood stove!?

For the love of thermal efficiency...
Make an intake that keeps the cold business on the cold side of the turbo. *EDITED ASSHOLE REMARK* :)
 
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I respect your company and own your products. That being said, why are you wasting your R+D and so many of the enthusiasts money to create any intake parts that STILL put the refrigerator on top of the raging wood stove!?

For the love of thermal efficiency...
Make an intake that keeps the cold business on the cold side of the turbo or just stop wasting peoples money just like your competition.
The engine bay looks pretty tight on space last time I checked.
 


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Thank you for the great write-up. Two quick questions:

1) What do you think accounted for the sharp torque drop seen at around 3500 RPM without the upgraded inlet pipe on some of the runs?

2) Why do you think that there was such variability in the low end gains? The first Stage 1 comparison in particular seems to display negligible gains compared to the second Stage 1 comparison, while the stock map comparisons both seemed to show more promise with the inlet pipe. It is especially surprising given that you'd expect Stage 1 to have larger gains due to the greater low end power targets.
You're quite welcome!

1) The power drop down that you are referring to is because the engine is overshoots target boost, so the ECU immediately pulls power as a safety. This can be seen in all of our CT-R dyno test results thus far and pretty much any car with stock/near-stock/basemap mapping. Custom tuning can resolve/better these issues. You can see that Run 4 (Stock Map) has this same power drop with and without the inlet pipe, the inlet pipe simply just allows the turbocharger and engine to be a bit more efficient in these areas.

2) There is such a variable in low end gains because of the reason above. The factory ECU works so well that sadly it makes providing dyno graphs and data difficult at times due to the power variances. We have a few other runs (1v1, 4v4, etc) that show graphs that make the inlet pipe more favorable on the Stage 1 Map, but felt that these results were unfair and inaccurate due to more extreme power pulled when testing the factory pipe kit. Run 3 still shows rather notable gains. Also, keep in mind that the Stage 1 Map has tables raised/increased in comparison to stock.

Thank you for the test data PRL! If I read correctly you did NOT have the upgraded intercooler piping installed on this series of testing, correct? If not, it would interesting to see a dyno with those pieces added into the mix...not to mention a complete tune with the added parts. With increased air flow comes a need for additional fuel.

Thanks again, Brian
That is correct, this was on factory charge piping.

I'm hoping that one of those upgraded fuel pumps comes out soon. Then we can really start seeing some numbers.
The community will definitely be needing them! We've managed to push the stock HPFP much further than expected in recent testing over the past few days.

I respect your company and own your products. That being said, why are you wasting your R+D and so many of the enthusiasts money to create any intake parts that STILL put the refrigerator on top of the raging wood stove!?

For the love of thermal efficiency...
Make an intake that keeps the cold business on the cold side of the turbo or just stop wasting peoples money just like your competition.
There is no feasible way around this for the average customer, so we have to work with what Honda gave us. Our hands are tied with engine bay space, intake system placement (including MAF) and quite a few other restrictions. Also, the factory Hitachi slot-style MAF sensor does not exactly make moving the MAF housing/sensor to another location easy. These sensors are so sensitive to airflow and location that fuel trims would be completely wrecked and require extensive R&D to make properly work, especially on stock ECU. Our goal is to provide the best possible product for the average consumer in terms of performance, usability and budget.
 

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You're quite welcome!

1) The power drop down that you are referring to is because the engine is overshoots target boost, so the ECU immediately pulls power as a safety. This can be seen in all of our CT-R dyno test results thus far and pretty much any car with stock/near-stock/basemap mapping. Custom tuning can resolve/better these issues. You can see that Run 4 (Stock Map) has this same power drop with and without the inlet pipe, the inlet pipe simply just allows the turbocharger and engine to be a bit more efficient in these areas.

2) There is such a variable in low end gains because of the reason above. The factory ECU works so well that sadly it makes providing dyno graphs and data difficult at times due to the power variances. We have a few other runs (1v1, 4v4, etc) that show graphs that make the inlet pipe more favorable on the Stage 1 Map, but felt that these results were unfair and inaccurate due to more extreme power pulled when testing the factory pipe kit. Run 3 still shows rather notable gains. Also, keep in mind that the Stage 1 Map has tables raised/increased in comparison to stock.



That is correct, this was on factory charge piping.



The community will definitely be needing them! We've managed to push the stock HPFP much further than expected in recent testing over the past few days.



There is no feasible way around this for the average customer, so we have to work with what Honda gave us. Our hands are tied with engine bay space, intake system placement (including MAF) and quite a few other restrictions. Also, the factory Hitachi slot-style MAF sensor does not exactly make moving the MAF housing/sensor to another location easy. These sensors are so sensitive to airflow and location that fuel trims would be completely wrecked and require extensive R&D to make properly work, especially on stock ECU. Our goal is to provide the best possible product for the average consumer in terms of performance, usability and budget.
Thank you for your kind and intelligent answer to my asshole rant. I apologize for my post and did not realize what a POS I was displaying myself as until I read it again this morning, I thought I was being funny and I was wrong. My point is still valid and you addressed it professionally. Like I said I respect your efforts and own your products and will buy more in the future. Thanks for all you do to support the enthusiast community and keep up the good work!:thumbsup:

One question though: Are you saying that you could not theoretically move the housing/airbox to the other side of the engine bay because the MAF readings need the length of the crossover pipe?
 

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There IS enough room to put the intake on the cold side with some manipulation, or even route it to breath from the hood scoop. Granted most owners will not be up for that level of modification.
 


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Production pictures of our Turbocharger Inlet Pipe Kit for the 2017+ FK8 Honda Civic Type-R have been released!

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Hi, is the silicon hose same as the one on the high volume intake system?
Any idea roughly how much is the inlet pipe kit going for?
Thank you!
 

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Would air temps be cooler with OEM pipe with an added lava blanket vrs having just this pipe?
 

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Hi, is the silicon hose same as the one on the high volume intake system?
Any idea roughly how much is the inlet pipe kit going for?
Thank you!
it is compatible per @PRL Motorsports.
would it be possible to provide an optional credit to delete the hose since some of us already have/ordered the intake system?
 
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Thank you for your kind and intelligent answer to my asshole rant. I apologize for my post and did not realize what a POS I was displaying myself as until I read it again this morning, I thought I was being funny and I was wrong. My point is still valid and you addressed it professionally. Like I said I respect your efforts and own your products and will buy more in the future. Thanks for all you do to support the enthusiast community and keep up the good work!:thumbsup:

One question though: Are you saying that you could not theoretically move the housing/airbox to the other side of the engine bay because the MAF readings need the length of the crossover pipe?
There IS enough room to put the intake on the cold side with some manipulation, or even route it to breath from the hood scoop. Granted most owners will not be up for that level of modification.
It's all good, this wasn't taken personally. Trust us, we wish that Honda would've made it more feasible for us to offer some other/different goodies.

The problem with utilizing the hood scoop or any ducts on this car is the fact that they are all functional scoops, whether it be for aero or cooling. Testing affects on tapping into these ducts would be rather expensive and extensive, and we're not quite sure how the public would feel about this regardless.

Hi, is the silicon hose same as the one on the high volume intake system?
Any idea roughly how much is the inlet pipe kit going for?
Thank you!
The silicone is NOT the same due primarily to the fact that the diameter of our inlet pipe is larger than factory. We will release pricing and ETA once a few more details are known, but we feel that the community will be happy with our projected pricing.

Would air temps be cooler with OEM pipe with an added lava blanket vrs having just this pipe?
This was just installed Friday, so we plan to do some testing shortly. However, thus far the Ti pipe dissipates heat extremely well!

it is compatible per @PRL Motorsports.
would it be possible to provide an optional credit to delete the hose since some of us already have/ordered the intake system?
At this time we have plans to offer (2) different silicone hoses that are different from our HVI silicone and Stage 1 silicone due to inlet pipe diameter differences. We will most likely not be offering any credit or exchange due to packaging and shipping logistics.
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