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Yes, it looks like they have a very good chassis this year so far. As long as the engines are equal, it should be interesting to see where McLaren and Renault end up at the end of the season.
I'd actually love to see Ricciardo in the other Mercedes seat next year.
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Always been a huge McLaren fan. It has been many a rough year since the glory days of Mika and DC. So glad to see them moving in the right direction. Mostly Dutch so I have to love Max and what has done for the sport in recent years. Not always a fan until he grew up a little... Nice to see Honda doing well but I find it hard to forgive and forget those recent years with McLaren. Driving a Civic R so I guess I'll have to find a way to get over it. Now if they would just fix the tire problem!
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it is over for Vettel! the guy can't keep his cool anymore...he should be banned! I think he intentionally ran into the back of Max! took 3rd place away from Max!
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Vettel was at fault but I don't think it was intentional. That Ferrari is probably awful to stop that quickly and he was just way too late on the brakes.
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just too aggressive...
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Did Silverstone show Sebastian Vettel is finished?
Date published: July 16 2019
Readers reflect on Sebastian Vettel’s shunt into the back of Max Verstappen at Silverstone, is the Ferrari man finished?
Plus, who is the best wingman – Valtteri Bottas or Charles Leclerc?
Is Vettel finished?
After yet another mistake costs Vettel at Silverstone the question has to be asked: does he any longer have what it takes to compete for championships with Hamilton and Verstappen?
It seems to me that the fear of losing is now stronger in his mind than the desire to win, hence a string of mistakes under pressure. At the very top level I think that’s a sign of someone on the way down. Vettel has recently married and has 2 children, maybe his mind and more importantly his goals lie increasingly away from F1? If Ferrari take the step of focusing on Leclerc for the championship and make Vettel no. 2 could that be too much for him?
David Coulthard made the point that at the end of his career Michael Schumacher also started rear-ending competitors.
Eddie Jordan thinks Vettel’s on his way out – or maybe to Mercedes, swapping with Hamilton in 2021. He’s known for dodgy predictions, but he’s a pretty shrewd judge of character.
tim3003
If Vettel left Ferrari, who would take him?
I think the summer break cant come fast enough for Vettel, he has the look of a man who the sky is falling down on right now. If he’s still phoning it in after the summer break, then I think he is done at Ferrari. Problem is, where does he go from there? Right now I dont think either Mercedes or Red Bull would want him, even if Hamilton does leave Mercedes, they have their own hot young things in the wings and Vettel is currently in the process of being overhauled by Ferrari’s own version… and if he can’t keep Leclerc quiet in the same car, what chance does he have against Max?
The errors when battling under pressure are now past the point of coincidence too, Hamilton has had Vettel mentally parked for a year or 2 now, and now Max is getting to the same point. You can’t consistently beat your peers when they know all they have to do is keep it tight and wait for the error to come.
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Seb’s looked lost since 2014…
Yeah, he is down and out. He is not the same driver in the hybrid era – his success was heavily reliant on the blown diffuser at red bull and when the new regs came in in 2014 he looked immediately lost. 2015 and 2016 he looked better but that was because the pressure was totally off. But 2017 and 2018 Hamilton destroyed him as a driver, his confidence, his ego, I think even his passion for racing. You can hear how constantly depressed he sounds over team radio after his mistakes, even today he just sounded totally emotionless after the crash, casually just trying to shift blame somehow despite literally rear-ending someone.
He is finished, 2018 killed him off and he can not recover.
He keeps hinting at leaving F1 and I think genuinely it’s on his mind because he has nowhere to go now other than to a midfield team if he wants to escape the pressure and i don’t think he can be bothered with that. He keeps moaning about the cars, the tyres the racing etc. but I think basically his problem isn’t with F1, its that he CAN’T win.
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Bottas or Leclerc – who’s the best second driver?
Right now Bottas is even or maybe has a slight edge solely due to experience but we already know what his ceiling is. i.e. his current performance. Good on his day but not consistent enough.
Leclerc has a lot of room for improvement and his consistency will even out as he gains experience.
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Bottas has shown he is a guy who can have top tier pace maybe 25% of the time, be nowhere near 25% of the time and be a solid tier 2 the remaining 50% of the time. Hamilton probably has twice as many top weekends, and half as many off weekends as Bottas does.
Badgeronimous
How did Max survive that impact?
I’m not sure what’s more amazing, Vettel’s lack of driving skill or both cars not retiring on the spot!
Asphalt_World
I thought Max was done! That gearbox is made out of a 70’s brick toilet.
https://www.planetf1.com/features/is-sebastian-vettel-finished/
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Date published: July 16 2019
Readers reflect on Sebastian Vettel’s shunt into the back of Max Verstappen at Silverstone, is the Ferrari man finished?
Plus, who is the best wingman – Valtteri Bottas or Charles Leclerc?
Is Vettel finished?
After yet another mistake costs Vettel at Silverstone the question has to be asked: does he any longer have what it takes to compete for championships with Hamilton and Verstappen?
It seems to me that the fear of losing is now stronger in his mind than the desire to win, hence a string of mistakes under pressure. At the very top level I think that’s a sign of someone on the way down. Vettel has recently married and has 2 children, maybe his mind and more importantly his goals lie increasingly away from F1? If Ferrari take the step of focusing on Leclerc for the championship and make Vettel no. 2 could that be too much for him?
David Coulthard made the point that at the end of his career Michael Schumacher also started rear-ending competitors.
Eddie Jordan thinks Vettel’s on his way out – or maybe to Mercedes, swapping with Hamilton in 2021. He’s known for dodgy predictions, but he’s a pretty shrewd judge of character.
tim3003
If Vettel left Ferrari, who would take him?
I think the summer break cant come fast enough for Vettel, he has the look of a man who the sky is falling down on right now. If he’s still phoning it in after the summer break, then I think he is done at Ferrari. Problem is, where does he go from there? Right now I dont think either Mercedes or Red Bull would want him, even if Hamilton does leave Mercedes, they have their own hot young things in the wings and Vettel is currently in the process of being overhauled by Ferrari’s own version… and if he can’t keep Leclerc quiet in the same car, what chance does he have against Max?
The errors when battling under pressure are now past the point of coincidence too, Hamilton has had Vettel mentally parked for a year or 2 now, and now Max is getting to the same point. You can’t consistently beat your peers when they know all they have to do is keep it tight and wait for the error to come.
Flash2k11
Seb’s looked lost since 2014…
Yeah, he is down and out. He is not the same driver in the hybrid era – his success was heavily reliant on the blown diffuser at red bull and when the new regs came in in 2014 he looked immediately lost. 2015 and 2016 he looked better but that was because the pressure was totally off. But 2017 and 2018 Hamilton destroyed him as a driver, his confidence, his ego, I think even his passion for racing. You can hear how constantly depressed he sounds over team radio after his mistakes, even today he just sounded totally emotionless after the crash, casually just trying to shift blame somehow despite literally rear-ending someone.
He is finished, 2018 killed him off and he can not recover.
He keeps hinting at leaving F1 and I think genuinely it’s on his mind because he has nowhere to go now other than to a midfield team if he wants to escape the pressure and i don’t think he can be bothered with that. He keeps moaning about the cars, the tyres the racing etc. but I think basically his problem isn’t with F1, its that he CAN’T win.
FormulaFun
Bottas or Leclerc – who’s the best second driver?
Right now Bottas is even or maybe has a slight edge solely due to experience but we already know what his ceiling is. i.e. his current performance. Good on his day but not consistent enough.
Leclerc has a lot of room for improvement and his consistency will even out as he gains experience.
RaggedMan
Bottas has shown he is a guy who can have top tier pace maybe 25% of the time, be nowhere near 25% of the time and be a solid tier 2 the remaining 50% of the time. Hamilton probably has twice as many top weekends, and half as many off weekends as Bottas does.
Badgeronimous
How did Max survive that impact?
I’m not sure what’s more amazing, Vettel’s lack of driving skill or both cars not retiring on the spot!
Asphalt_World
I thought Max was done! That gearbox is made out of a 70’s brick toilet.
https://www.planetf1.com/features/is-sebastian-vettel-finished/
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I mean they did have Mick Schumacher come and test for them a few months ago so... I read that Alonso may come and drive for Red Bull next season if they blow out Gasly. Would be ironic as he hated the Honda engines so much at McLaren and now they are top of the line.
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maybe time to switch VET to Alfa and bring back the Kimster - RAI 
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maybe time to switch VET to Alfa and bring back the Kimster - RAI
He'd make a better #2 than Vettel
Seeing how well LeClerc did at Alfa last year vs Kimi this year makes me think LeClerc did a really good job in the Alfa. I like Kimi. I wanted to think him going to Alfa was like when he came back into F1 with Lotus and they got better and better and eventually won a race. Not sure that will be the case this year for Kimi.
Finally watched the Silverstone race. Lots of good racing for positions 3-13. Lewis is dominant at that track.
I didn't get how Vettel went from top 5 to 16th(?) How is it he never crawled his way back up to at least be in front of any Williams. ugh. Not sure if that was a self imposed banishment or if after his impact with Max that things were wrong with the car.
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Can't wait to see what's gonna happen at Germany this weekend.
The real question from Silverstone is how did Lewis get fast lap on worn tires
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