What car were you cross shopping your Si with?

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As far as I’m concerned, new cars are big purchases and I buy, dont rent, so I lean towards Japanese. I test drove the Subaru/Toyota BRZ 86 whatever and too small, the ride too rough and road noise too loud, no good. I tried the 370Z I liked it but only 2 seats, very small interior, the ride was a little rough, some road noise, cheap Nissan quality but not bad. I then tried both Subaru’s and the STI was too expensive, rough ride, not very comfortable, and some road noise. I love the look of the STI, but no good price wise and ride wise. Now the WRX wasn’t bad at all, about $4K more that the Si, I liked this car. It was my second favorite if I didn’t choose the Si. Now the Si, the things that stood out about the Si were the comfort level and quiet interior compared to other cars I test drove. The interior quality was very nice on the Si as well. The price in comparison was also very good. And Honda cost of ownership/reliability is the best of the group. Now the Type R has tempted me, but it’s $15K more than the Si, and in a straight line it’s slow and not much faster than the Si, plus the gas mileage is much worse than the Si. I don’t go to twisty racetracks, so the Type R was out. The Si checked off a lot more boxes than the rest of the cars, my decision was made very quickly after I test drove the Si and I still really like my Si.
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I test drove a Civic Sport Hatch first..I just wanted to test drive it, the dealership 50 miles south of Tampa was horrible, the old salesperson got me to sit at his office then left me sit there for about 10 minutes and he brought his dumb ass sales manager with him. When I wouldn't bite for a "deal" at 27k he kept on pleading "why?, why?, why?, you say you like the car." Like I would ever buy from these shysters. They both left and after sitting there another 10 minutes I attempted my escape and they literally lined up 3 employees to mostly block the exit. Swear to effing god..I did my best to squeak through their maginot line and GTFO. Probably the dirtiest dealership I've ever been but one in Vegas was very similar.
Anyway, I got lucky a few months later when a guy I knew bought a salvage 17 Si, 5k miles, in almost perfect condition for his new wife but she quickly tired of driving a stick. I quickly jumped on it paid him cash he probably made 2-3K on it but heck he deserved it as he flew up to the Northeast to buy it.
My goal for the rest of my life is to never, ever go to a dealer again. Not for oil changes, recalls, nothing. I'm pretty sure I will succeed with my goal.
 

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I'm addicted to car payments, at least that's the joke in my family. I'm going to be 57 this month and since the early eighties I've had a new car every few years. But hey, I have no other credit debt at this point in my life other than a mortgage and one car payment. I have a GMC Sierra Crew Cab and a Chevy Tahoe (both paid for) for the other duties in the family. I've also had motorcycles my entire life (since 1978) until about a year ago when I just decided to stop riding one day. No accidents or close calls....just got tired of riding. First car was an Austin Healy, followed by a string of Civics, Accords, Isuzu pickup, Tacoma (x2), Tundra (x2), Jetta 2.0T, a three cylinder Geo Metro with no A/C (LOL - probably the most reliable car I've EVER owned), Nissan Frontiers (x2), Mazda 3s (x2) and probably some others I forgot. Most recently it was a 2016 MX-5 Miata that I tired of after two years because, while a BLAST to drive and a great car....it's a PITA on a daily basis getting in and out of it or getting groceries. Up until this point, I've drooled over Si's for many years (with the single exception of when the Si looked like a Chevy Aveo....can't remember what year that was). I finally decided to get what I've wanted for many years....an Si Coupe. While a little disappointed with panel gaps and the infuriating infotainment system (which is getting replaced next week because it takes FOREVER to boot up), I do love the quality of the car's powertrain and the solidity of the body. I'm hoping the quality I experienced with the other Hondas that have been in my life over time is still there. The Si is sporty, gets compliments and I'm enjoying it so far.

So, it's one of those "get what you've wanted for years" things with me. While at this point in my life I have money to get pretty much whatever I want, I've never been a person who felt comfortable making a mortgage payment on a car.....I will not buy a car that costs above about 40K (the Sierra was the most expensive vehicle I ever bought at around 45K).
 

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I test drove a Civic Sport Hatch first..I just wanted to test drive it, the dealership 50 miles south of Tampa was horrible, the old salesperson got me to sit at his office then left me sit there for about 10 minutes and he brought his dumb ass sales manager with him. When I wouldn't bite for a "deal" at 27k he kept on pleading "why?, why?, why?, you say you like the car." Like I would ever buy from these shysters. They both left and after sitting there another 10 minutes I attempted my escape and they literally lined up 3 employees to mostly block the exit. Swear to effing god..I did my best to squeak through their maginot line and GTFO. Probably the dirtiest dealership I've ever been but one in Vegas was very similar.
Anyway, I got lucky a few months later when a guy I knew bought a salvage 17 Si, 5k miles, in almost perfect condition for his new wife but she quickly tired of driving a stick. I quickly jumped on it paid him cash he probably made 2-3K on it but heck he deserved it as he flew up to the Northeast to buy it.
My goal for the rest of my life is to never, ever go to a dealer again. Not for oil changes, recalls, nothing. I'm pretty sure I will succeed with my goal.

What was the name of the dealership? Only reason I'm asking is because there is a type R for sale 30 min south of Tampa and they are claiming no markup..
 


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As far as I’m concerned, new cars are big purchases and I buy, dont rent, so I lean towards Japanese. I test drove the Subaru/Toyota BRZ 86 whatever and too small, the ride too rough and road noise too loud, no good. I tried the 370Z I liked it but only 2 seats, very small interior, the ride was a little rough, some road noise, cheap Nissan quality but not bad. I then tried both Subaru’s and the STI was too expensive, rough ride, not very comfortable, and some road noise. I love the look of the STI, but no good price wise and ride wise. Now the WRX wasn’t bad at all, about $4K more that the Si, I liked this car. It was my second favorite if I didn’t choose the Si. Now the Si, the things that stood out about the Si were the comfort level and quiet interior compared to other cars I test drove. The interior quality was very nice on the Si as well. The price in comparison was also very good. And Honda cost of ownership/reliability is the best of the group. Now the Type R has tempted me, but it’s $15K more than the Si, and in a straight line it’s slow and not much faster than the Si, plus the gas mileage is much worse than the Si. I don’t go to twisty racetracks, so the Type R was out. The Si checked off a lot more boxes than the rest of the cars, my decision was made very quickly after I test drove the Si and I still really like my Si.
I was actually surprised by how good the mileage on my Type R turned out to be. I was getting between 38 and 40 mpg on my 17 SI stock, which dropped to 32-34 mpg tuned. Driving under the same conditions, my Type R has averaged between 27 and 29 mpg. Also, it is much, much faster than my SI in a straight line. Stock to stock is not even a question, but even running the TSP Stage 1 with a CAI and Intercooler, the Type R is still much faster. I loved my SI, and it was a much better value, but the difference between the two is not close.

When people say that the Type R is slow in a straight line, they mean compared to like a Camaro SS.
 

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I shopped a very strange list. 2019 VW GLI, 2019 Porsche Macan, 2019 Mercedes C-class, Accord Sport 2.0T MT, and the Si Sedan. I drive 90-100 to work and back every day so I knew I would be buying something to keep for awhile. I could get employee lease deals on the Macan and C-class but not sure I am ready to own either of them out of warranty. The GLI was nice to drive but not very fun. The 2.0T Accord was a blast but I am picking the Si over the Accord because I feel like they are equally as fun to drive but the Si is slightly cheaper and gets better MPG. Working at Honda for 16 years I can still get great deals even though I have moved on to working for the Germans now.
I'm on the fence between the Accord 2.0T and the SI. Which ever one I get it will be my weekend fun car. Being that you had both in your running did the Accord feel super big and boat like compare to the SI?
 
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I'm on the fence between the Accord 2.0T and the SI. Which ever one I get it will be my weekend fun car. Being that you had both in your running did the Accord feel super big and boat like compare to the SI?
If you mean weekend fun car as in driving around twisties or auto cross events, then the Si would fit the bill more than the Accord in my opinion. Not to mention, the money you will save can go towards things like tires or suspension bits to enhance the fun factor.
 

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I was actually surprised by how good the mileage on my Type R turned out to be. I was getting between 38 and 40 mpg on my 17 SI stock, which dropped to 32-34 mpg tuned. Driving under the same conditions, my Type R has averaged between 27 and 29 mpg. Also, it is much, much faster than my SI in a straight line. Stock to stock is not even a question, but even running the TSP Stage 1 with a CAI and Intercooler, the Type R is still much faster. I loved my SI, and it was a much better value, but the difference between the two is not close.

When people say that the Type R is slow in a straight line, they mean compared to like a Camaro SS.
The Type R does a 1/4 mile in 14 seconds which is not very good, but it’s not a 1/4 mile car it’s a car for a race course, not stop lights.
 

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The Type R does a 1/4 mile in 14 seconds which is not very good, but it’s not a 1/4 mile car it’s a car for a race course, not stop lights.
I agree that it is not a car meant for drag racing. That said, the 1/4 mile performance of the R is not necessarily a good indicator of its "fastness". The car simple can't hook up quickly due to it being FWD and producing such massive torque. From a slow roll though, it is as fast or faster in a straight line than most other cars in it's class (STI and Golf R included), and stock for stock it is much, much faster in a straight line than the SI. It isn't the best performance value for most people's needs, but I frequently see people asserting that the R is not much faster than the SI, and having owned both for a significant amount of time, I can tell you that that is very false.
 


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The Si does a 1/4 mile in about 14 seconds, the Type R about 1 second faster at 13 seconds, neither car very fast on the street. The 60% price increase of the Type R vs. the price of the Si for me isn’t worth it.
 

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The Si does a 1/4 mile in about 14 seconds, the Type R about 1 second faster at 13 seconds, neither car very fast on the street. The 60% price increase of the Type R vs. the price of the Si for me isn’t worth it.
Your argument was that the Type R is "not much faster than the SI" in a straight line. This is simply not correct, and only applies within the specific conditions of the 1/4 mile. Again, from a roll, the R has been demonstrated to be faster than the STI and the Golf R. If it's not a good value for you based on your needs, then that's perfectly fine. But done try to justify it by convincing everyone that the SI and R are the same in non-track conditions. They are not.
 
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The Si does a 1/4 mile in about 14 seconds, the Type R about 1 second faster at 13 seconds, neither car very fast on the street. The 60% price increase of the Type R vs. the price of the Si for me isn’t worth it.
I guess if it's drag racing we are all talking about, then a Type R is the wrong car to get. You should stick to V8's if it's straight line power you want. However, I believe for track performance, I can see why the type R can command such a price.
 

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I guess if it's drag racing we are all talking about, then a Type R is the wrong car to get. You should stick to V8's if it's straight line power you want. However, I believe for track performance, I can see why the type R can command such a price.
How much time do people with type R’s actually go to tracks? And a parking lot with cones isn’t a track. And of course guys that have come out of pocket 60-70% more money for a Type R over an Si are gonna say it’s so much faster, that’s human nature, but on the street it just ain’t so according to what’s published out there.
 

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How much time do people with type R’s actually go to tracks? And a parking lot with cones isn’t a track. And of course guys that have come out of pocket 60-70% more money for a Type R over an Si are gonna say it’s so much faster, that’s human nature, but on the street it just ain’t so according to what’s published out there.
Not sure what published sources you're going off of. You can harp on this fallacious point of yours all you want, but it doesn't make it so. There are many members here that have actually owned both cars. All can attest to the significant difference in off-track driving. And considering that you seem to make a pattern of attempting to announce how "close" the SI is to the R in every thread possible (including my unrelated SI part out thread, apparently), it's clear that you just want to spread misinformation.
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