Schedule for maintainance

Valkyria90 · Jun 3, 2019

I have searched the forums and with Google trying to find a schedule for when to do different maintainance on my 2017 1.5T Sedan.
Most of the replies are either "read the manual" or "The Maintainance Minder will tell you when the next service is", which is not what I'm looking for. The manual only contains a code chart for the very basic things like cabin filter and check brake wear, and gives me no information about which when to expect these jobs.
I plan to do most (if not all) of the maintainance on my own car for probably the next 100 000+ KMs. Having a Maintainance Minder saying e.g. "Service Code A2 in 3000KM" don't tell me anything practical and don't allow me to plan for when I should dedicate time for service or order the correct parts and oil.
All my previous cars have included a chart or schedule of sorts in the manual saying which tasks should be done every 5, 10, 20, 30 ... 100 ... 150KMs, but the codes in this manual is clearly meant for the dealership and not the owner.

What I wanna know is stuff like:
When do I change ATF on my CVT?
Do the turbo require maintainance at 50K or is it maintainance free?
How long are the serpentine belt good for?
Are the spark plugs good for 60K or 100K?
Should the timing chain be tightened? When?
etc.

I live in Norway and it's cold and rainy here for many months at a time during the winter season, making many of these jobs less than optimal to perform outdoors, and if I had a schedule I could gladly do them before the cold season start, instead of getting a message in December about giving the car to the dealership.

Are there any schedules available for end users with this information, or is this now a dealership confidental piece of information?

fitter_here · Jun 3, 2019

This is the maintenance for Canadian models:

Honda Civic 10th gen Schedule for maintainance Maintenance.JPG

Valkyria90 · Jun 3, 2019

fitter_here said:
This is the maintenance for Canadian models:

Thank you

This is similar to what I have in my own manual, however I do not have those remarks about point 1 through 5. Mine is just listed what the code means and how many hours the job is scheduled for at a dealer. I have no idea when to expect these jobs, and if I was using my dealer to do maintainance, I would have no idea if I should expect to pay for a simple oil change and tire rotation, or 6 hours labor with every fluid changed, and a new turbo installed.
I would have no problems with a code system in the MM like they have, but what i want is a schedule for WHEN I can expect these codes to appear! Will code 5 appear at 30.000km or 50.000km? I just have to wait and see!
If I knew today that I have a big maintainance job coming up at 50.000km, I don't run the risk of getting a reminder for that when entering winter months, or right before a big road trip. I can have them done at ~45.000km if that suits me better.

Mikey1 said:
that is the correct response....not sure why you don't want to hear it

in my own opinion?

okay......

CVT fluid follow MM or 5 years or 60,000 miles....whichever one of those 3 comes first
Serpentine belts these days can almost last the lifetime of the vehicle, if you want to be cautious change it at 100,000 miles or 8-10 years
Spark plugs (same reply as the serpentine belt)
Timing chain requires no service, it should last the lifetime of the vehicle/engine, providing you do your oil changes on time, your engine oil is lubricating the chain, keeping up with oil changes is important in engines with timing chains

turbo question....no idea

I understand that is the correct response based on information in the manual. But the codes are not appearing at random. There are already planned intervals for when each code will appear, Honda just haven't made that schedule public.
On older vehicles you got schedules like these in the manual:

Honda Civic 10th gen Schedule for maintainance user46097_pic19197_1339166811-

With something like this I can today calculate the cost of owning the car for the next ~200.000km because I know the tolerance and intervals of each fluid change and replacement part, and if I can see a big job coming up in January, I can have that job done in September, long before the MM kicks in.

So what I'm looking for is basically a schedule/chart like the Toyota one above

My suspicion is that Honda wants to make it a bit more inconvenient to do the service yourself, and would rather you leave the service part up to them.

Valkyria90 · Jun 3, 2019

While this might be true, there is still some form of interval the schedule is supposed to follow. If your fluid change comes up at 50k, mine will not come up at 20k, but it might come at 40k because of harder driving.
Right now my manual offers no information about when to expect these jobs, and the Canadian manual was a bit more helpful and open about the changes. Other modern cars (like my parents VW) still has an old school schedule like the Toyota one above, even though it also has a service reminer system.
Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to stretch my service intervals as long as possible. On the contrary, I want to be absolutely sure that I can do them before they are supposed to be done. I am already doing oil changes every 6000km (not miles) and I am not even pushing the car hard. I love my car and I want to give it as much love as I can, which is why I want to know preemptively when each service should occur.

Imagine how absurd it would be if your wifes birthday, your wedding day and Valentines day all happened on a different day every year, and your only way of knowing would be a notification on your phone a couple of days before. Call me insane, but I would rather plan ahead of time for special occations like that, just like I wanna plan ahead for the love I can give my car

Valkyria90 · Jun 3, 2019

Mikey1 said:
the MM gives you MONTHS of advance notice, most of the time at least 6 months,

the services that show up when you reset your oil% are not due till your NEXT oil change...and that wouldn't be for at LEAST another 6 months,

how much more notice do you need?

the reason why honda no longer has a chart like the one you have pictured above is because the services vary from car to car.....which i explained in my previous post

My first service reminder gave me no more than one month forewarning, and thats the only one I have gotten so far. I guess European cars could be differently coded than the American ones if you get a 6 month reminder. If I had that time I could obviously not complain, but when my Norwegian manual are not telling me which items to inspect, lube and change like the Canadian one, and I only get one month notification for it then I'm sure you can agree that it's not end user friendly if you plan on doing this yourself.

fitter_here · Jun 4, 2019

Here are the inspections for MAIN and SUB items, it's from the shop manual.

Honda Civic 10th gen Schedule for maintainance Maintenance-Main

Honda Civic 10th gen Schedule for maintainance Maintenance-Sub

fitter_here · Jun 4, 2019

If you prefer the shop manual, just unzip on your desktop, somebody share this a while ago. It is excellent.
https://unknowntransportation.com:8443/Service/TechInfoBrowser.zip

calonzo · Jun 4, 2019

Valkyria90 said:
My first service reminder gave me no more than one month forewarning, and thats the only one I have gotten so far. I guess European cars could be differently coded than the American ones if you get a 6 month reminder. If I had that time I could obviously not complain, but when my Norwegian manual are not telling me which items to inspect, lube and change like the Canadian one, and I only get one month notification for it then I'm sure you can agree that it's not end user friendly if you plan on doing this yourself.

I understand your frustration. My car, here in the US, also does not give me advanced notice of anything but oil changes.

So, if you don't want to wait until MM tells you to change something, you will have to go old school and setup your own schedule based on estimates.

I like to use the following guidelines:

Oil change - every 7500 miles.
Tire rotation - every 15000 miles
Air filter - every 15000 miles
Transmission fluid change - every 30000 miles
Brake fluid change - every 45000 miles
Coolant change - every 60000 miles

I used to change the brake fluid after 60000 miles. But, the MM told me to change my brake fluid after 45000 miles, so I had to ammend my own guidelines.

Valkyria90 · Jun 5, 2019

@fitter_here Thank you so much! This is just what I have been looking for and not been able to find

Mods should make that a sticky for everyone to enjoy.

calonzo · Jun 6, 2019

Valkyria90 said:
@fitter_here Thank you so much! This is just what I have been looking for and not been able to find
Mods should make that a sticky for everyone to enjoy.

It's not an official schedule. Just my own.

latole · Jun 6, 2019

A car maintenance schedule is not a rocket science, over years maintenance is about same for any car.
Car will not explose if you pass a month or 1K miles if you forget maintenance minder.

On all my previous cars ( manual ) I never change manual gear oil neither engine coolant with no issues. I sell cars 10 t0 15 years old with over 150,000 miles and still working fine.

I did not say you should do that, but stop breaking your head.

fjrman · Jun 7, 2019

"I did not say you should do that, but stop breaking your head."

You've missed the point of these forums.

Some folks like to break their head!

Anytime I see "Best" in the title of a thread I know we're in for some absurd commentary.

latole · Jun 7, 2019

fjrman said:
"I did not say you should do that, but stop breaking your head."

You've missed the point of these forums.

Some folks like to break their head!

Anytime I see "Best" in the title of a thread I know we're in for some absurd commentary.

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