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For 2019 the sport model replaces the old EX in the model line up and the EX-T is now just EX, and now has a power drivers seat. So it goes LX and Sport with the 2.0 and the EX, EX-L and Touring with the 1.5. The EX is no longer available with a manual transmission so now the only way to get a sedan with the 1.5 and manual is to get an Si.
The touring is really pointless to get now.
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The touring is really pointless to get now.
You get Nav, the upgraded sound system, LED headlights, and heated rear seats (my kids liked that when we had a touring), power passenger seat, 18" wheels and rain sensing wipers (hated those). Not sure if that is worth the extra $2700. The audio system in particular isn't that impressive. After putting focal speakers in my EX-T, the touring sound system didn't sound that much better.
 

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You get Nav, the upgraded sound system, LED headlights, and heated rear seats (my kids liked that when we had a touring), power passenger seat, 18" wheels and rain sensing wipers (hated those). Not sure if that is worth the extra $2700. The audio system in particular isn't that impressive. After putting focal speakers in my EX-T, the touring sound system didn't sound that much better.
We were going to get the 2018 Touring because it had a power passenger seat. However you cannot raise or lower or tilt the lower seat cushion like most power seats. That's a bummer. I didn't need a fancy sound system because I could probably never tell the difference. Nav was not worth the money because I could use my Garmon or TomTom or smartphone. So we got an EX-L with Sensing and saved some money.
 
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We were going to get the 2018 Touring because it had a power passenger seat. However you cannot raise or lower or tilt the lower seat cushion like most power seats. That's a bummer. I didn't need a fancy sound system because I could probably never tell the difference. Nav was not worth the money because I could use my Garmon or TomTom or smartphone. So we got an EX-L with Sensing and saved some money.
I agree about the Nav, I use Apple CarPlay for navigation so I never saw the value in buying a car with navigation built in...instead I can use Google Maps and Waze for free!
 

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The only big issue I have with Carplay nav is that if you put in your destination when you are in an area where cell service is spotty, it doesn't always show the map because it can't download it. I've learned to put the destination in when I leave even if I know 80% of the way, usually to Seattle or Portland. That way it loads the maps for the entire trip.
 


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The only big issue I have with Carplay nav is that if you put in your destination when you are in an area where cell service is spotty, it doesn't always show the map because it can't download it. I've learned to put the destination in when I leave even if I know 80% of the way, usually to Seattle or Portland. That way it loads the maps for the entire trip.
You know, I wonder if it depends on the area, because I used Google Maps in the mountains for a hikng trip and while I ran out of cell service, GPS still worked and got me safely to my destination. Unfortunately though it didn't help me get out - I had to use my sense of direction which is generally pretty good anyways...but it really comes in handy as long as you have the right cell service, you're definitely right.
 

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GPS will still work anywhere but if the phone doesn't have the corresponding map available or predownloaded it will just show you in a blank location. It knows where you are but doesn't have the corresponding map overlay. Regular gps devices have the entire U.S. database (or whichever country you live in) already installed but most phone ones load the map on the fly.
 
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GPS will still work anywhere but if the phone doesn't have the corresponding map available or predownloaded it will just show you in a blank location. It knows where you are but doesn't have the corresponding map overlay. Regular gps devices have the entire U.S. database (or whichever country you live in) already installed but most phone ones load the map on the fly.
Ohhh, ok. I never knew how that all worked. I figured GPS usually doesn't use much data on my phone bill, so surely it must not need much...
 

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Yes, gps itself is a passive system, but phones also use cell towers for extra accuracy. GPS is based on trilateration from at least three satellites. Each satellite sends out a time based signal so gps devices use those signals to locate itself. If you didn't have a map on a gps device it could still show your coordinates based on where it finds itself. A lot of people think that gps devices send out a signal to the satellites but it is the other way around. it's all pretty fascinating. Each satellite has an atomic clock for accuracy but because of relativity the clocks on the satellites run faster than the ones on earth. The whole system has to take all this into account to work.
 
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Yes, gps itself is a passive system, but phones also use cell towers for extra accuracy. GPS is based on trilateration from at least three satellites. Each satellite sends out a time based signal so gps devices use those signals to locate itself. If you didn't have a map on a gps device it could still show your coordinates based on where it finds itself. A lot of people think that gps devices send out a signal to the satellites but it is the other way around. it's all pretty fascinating. Each satellite has an atomic clock for accuracy but because of relativity the clocks on the satellites run faster than the ones on earth. The whole system has to take all this into account to work.
That really is fascinating, I didn't know any of that, but I know I'm always grateful for my GPS especially when I'm in downtown DC, which is a freakin maze!
 


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I agree about the Nav, I use Apple CarPlay for navigation so I never saw the value in buying a car with navigation built in...instead I can use Google Maps and Waze for free!
Free? What does your phone cost a month lol
 
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The only big issue I have with Carplay nav is that if you put in your destination when you are in an area where cell service is spotty, it doesn't always show the map because it can't download it. I've learned to put the destination in when I leave even if I know 80% of the way, usually to Seattle or Portland. That way it loads the maps for the entire trip.
I just started playing with Android Auto & I do not have an unlimited data plan. I figured I'd download & save a Google map while at home as others have suggested. Much to my disappointment I cannot download a map large enough for a day's worth of driving, for example 500 miles. I'd have to piece together several maps for a 1,000 mile trip & would need to know the ending point of one map so I could plan the starting point of the next map. Plugging in my GPS seems a lot easier.
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