New to the forums here: looking for advice

I'm debating whether to stick to my 2017 SI and do some tuning to it, or trade it in.

If I trade it in, I'm debating between the Civic Type R, Focus RS, Kia Stinger and (extremely small chance) Dodge Hellcat.

I'm curious what's the way to go? At least between the first 4 options...

keep and mod your si.

BoostedSiCoupe said:

keep and mod your si.

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Is the Type R not enough of an "upgrade" to warrant it? In terms of performance.

nakerjay said:

Is the Type R not enough of an "upgrade" to warrant it? In terms of performance.

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if you want to spend a lot more money then id say go for it. especially if money is no issue for you. otherwise it would be cheaper to keep and mod the si

Don't just think about the sticker price, but total cost of ownership. The R looks like it would be a blast to drive, but the fuel economy is much worse and the tires are only good for 10K miles. I'd expect the insurance is quite a bit more as well. I don't know about the other cars, but you get the idea.

Those last two are wildly different cars. If you like the Civic itself as a car and are just wanting more performance, my vote is mod. If the Civic as a car is something you're unhappy with, regardless of how fast it is (or could be) I'd trade. I think the Civic to a Focus, while a different car, might not be a good switch if you don't like the Civic itself. You'd be swapping for a similar platform. Going with a twin turbo 6 AWD/RWD Kia or very big, heavy but powerful sedan in the Dodge would be a step in a completely different direction. Good luck! If you swap out, let us know what you decided and why. I always like looking at cars and am already contemplating the next car... though I'm pretty content with the Civic and don't see me getting out of it for some time.

lmao kia stinger being an option.

Well to be fair, it's in the same MSRP range as the CTR and RS.


Hellcat on the other hand...

mofoD said:

lmao kia stinger being an option.

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repeet said:

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Yeah, I saw that too and mentioned it in another thread. I'm kind of an anti-Hyundai/Kia guy because... well... I guess I'm a biased ass, but it does seem impressive. I'm not sure it'll hold up worth a damn over time, but on the street it looks formidable for it's price point. I'd take the Mustang even if the roads were perpetually wet over the Kia though...

Honestly I’ve been contemplating VERY hard on whether or not I want to trade my Si for an R

My reasons for possibly getting an R:

1. The Si will always be an Si no matter how much you mod it. Unfortunately (I don’t believe) you can upgrade the chassis and investing more money to upgrade stock internals to hold added power would start to get expensive. While the R has much more reliable internals at higher levels of power STOCK. If I have to get new connecting rods and pistons, etc... then my budget goes over the R price tag.

2. All the mods I have can actually get moved into the R (Acuity shifter, cable bushings, KTuner, etc). So technically I wouldn’t lose out on too much money that I’ve already thrown into the Si.

3. R is clearly the prized possession of Honda and I can see the quality and engineering that was put into this beast. Auto rev match and 300+hp is very nice. Nice conversation starter.

4. R in its stock form has all the exterior pieces I desire. Front lip, side skirts, side under spoilers, functional vents to cool brakes, LED headlights (even though they suck), and the biggest kicker... it’s a Hatchback which I really wanted for the Si.

Reasons Against:

1. Price and having to essentially restart my monthly payments all over again and at an even higher rate. Insurance should not change according to posts I’ve read here. The R is still a Civic and it’s not like it suddenly jumped into the realms of Lambos or Ferrari’s.

2. Do I really want to be driving this flamboyant beast in 10 years when I’m in my 40s? (I probably would be ok with it but still something to think about).

3. Tire life is terrible from what I hear... but is that only the stock tires or do all tires on this platform just melt away for whatever reason?

4. I drive mainly locally everyday because we don’t really have too many highways here in Vegas. I’m already having trouble flying around in my tuned Si, I will probably get a ticket or accident if I was in an even faster car like the R. Plus it’s very lame to have all this power potential and to only be driving it around locally and using like 50% of that potential.

5. 4 seats... seriously why? I’m pretty sure I could live without it, but still very strange to me that they didn’t add the fifth seat.

6. If I got an R I wouldn’t need to modify the car anymore... or would I? Honestly the mod bug would bite me even after getting an R, so I would be throwing even more money into the car.

7. I’ve read the R has lockout issues with the transmission and the dampening is too harsh for daily driving.

8. Si is my first car that I actually purchased on my own (leased a few other cars before getting the Si). I have had a lot of fun and it’s been extremely rewarding to install some of these modifications. There is pleasure in installing a car part on your own and it working without issues.

Sorry for my long post, but to be honest if you are not able to come up with a pros/cons list like I have then you may not have thought this through all the way or you are loaded with cash (which I am not unfortunately). I honestly have more points for NOT getting the Type R and writing this all out seems to be helping me be more at peace with my Si. I may eventually part ways and get an R way down the line, but I think with my new TSP Stage 1 tune installed, I won’t need the R. My Si has now become plenty fast for my needs. Plus it looks a lot cleaner and more... mature? Vs the R. My 2 cents, hope that helps you in your journey.

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still a korean piece of shit.

mofoD said:

still a korean piece of shit.

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I’ve owned both a Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track and Hyundai Genesis Sedan and they were both excellent cars with 10 year bumper to bumper warranty. Yes, you can bash Korean manufacturers 15-20 years ago, but they stepped up their game since 2009.

still a piece of shit

ne0guri said:

Honestly I’ve been contemplating VERY hard on whether or not I want to trade my Si for an R

My reasons for possibly getting an R:

1. The Si will always be an Si no matter how much you mod it. Unfortunately (I don’t believe) you can upgrade the chassis and investing more money to upgrade stock internals to hold added power would start to get expensive. While the R has much more reliable internals at higher levels of power STOCK. If I have to get new connecting rods and pistons, etc... then my budget goes over the R price tag.

2. All the mods I have can actually get moved into the R (Acuity shifter, cable bushings, KTuner, etc). So technically I wouldn’t lose out on too much money that I’ve already thrown into the Si.

3. R is clearly the prized possession of Honda and I can see the quality and engineering that was put into this beast. Auto rev match and 300+hp is very nice. Nice conversation starter.

4. R in its stock form has all the exterior pieces I desire. Front lip, side skirts, side under spoilers, functional vents to cool brakes, LED headlights (even though they suck), and the biggest kicker... it’s a Hatchback which I really wanted for the Si.

Reasons Against:

1. Price and having to essentially restart my monthly payments all over again and at an even higher rate. Insurance should not change according to posts I’ve read here. The R is still a Civic and it’s not like it suddenly jumped into the realms of Lambos or Ferrari’s.

2. Do I really want to be driving this flamboyant beast in 10 years when I’m in my 40s? (I probably would be ok with it but still something to think about).

3. Tire life is terrible from what I hear... but is that only the stock tires or do all tires on this platform just melt away for whatever reason?

4. I drive mainly locally everyday because we don’t really have too many highways here in Vegas. I’m already having trouble flying around in my tuned Si, I will probably get a ticket or accident if I was in an even faster car like the R. Plus it’s very lame to have all this power potential and to only be driving it around locally and using like 50% of that potential.

5. 4 seats... seriously why? I’m pretty sure I could live without it, but still very strange to me that they didn’t add the fifth seat.

6. If I got an R I wouldn’t need to modify the car anymore... or would I? Honestly the mod bug would bite me even after getting an R, so I would be throwing even more money into the car.

7. I’ve read the R has lockout issues with the transmission and the dampening is too harsh for daily driving.

8. Si is my first car that I actually purchased on my own (leased a few other cars before getting the Si). I have had a lot of fun and it’s been extremely rewarding to install some of these modifications. There is pleasure in installing a car part on your own and it working without issues.

Sorry for my long post, but to be honest if you are not able to come up with a pros/cons list like I have then you may not have thought this through all the way or you are loaded with cash (which I am not unfortunately). I honestly have more points for NOT getting the Type R and writing this all out seems to be helping me be more at peace with my Si. I may eventually part ways and get an R way down the line, but I think with my new TSP Stage 1 tune installed, I won’t need the R. My Si has now become plenty fast for my needs. Plus it looks a lot cleaner and more... mature? Vs the R. My 2 cents, hope that helps you in your journey.

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I appreciate all of the replies!

This is kinda the breakdown I was looking at. I have money, but the price tag is definitely still an issue. Lol ... It was the horsepower boost and performance that I was really wanting. I added the Hellcat to the list, because I really miss the rear wheel drive, and 700+ hp is definitely nice. Haha. It's kinda my wish list car.

The Type R and the RS were the 2 main debates. I hadn't known about a lot of these mods available to the SI, so after having looked through some of the forums here, I'm now looking more to keeping the SI.

The functionality: I could definitely use the hatchback, being in the video industry, I carry a lot of gear at times.

However that also means that I travel a lot. And if, as you say, the tires only last about 10k miles, that could be an issue. I've put 32k+ on my SI since Dec '18. And get roughly 38 mpg on the freeways out of town.

So you've definitely given me more to think about.